Dialed Podcast 350 - Can Wout beat Mathieu? | The holiday toll on training | Go to brands for cleaners and lubes?

Can Wout beat Mathieu this Cx season? Will van der Poel sweep all of his races? Which pro cyclists would you sponsor? What toll are the holidays taking on your training?. What are our go to brands for cleaners and lubes?  There's a lot this week, so have a listen and enjoy the podcast!

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Chapters

• 1:21 Intro
• 2:13 Weekly Backpedal
• 14:07 [Ad] Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
• 14:54 (Cont.) Weekly Backpedal
• 18:11 Chain Mail! (Formerly fan mail)
• 19:24 Leadout News
• 30:28 The Hot Seat! All the questions...
• 1:16:10 One Last Thing...

Transcript

Jake: [00:00:00] Hi and welcome to the Dialed Podcast. I'm Jake von Duering, and I’m here with Lance frigging Heppler. 

Lance: Lance frigging Heppler. Happy December from Lance frigging Heppler. 

Jake: Frig you. To his right, Sir Ian Gibson. 

Ian: Hey, I'm here in body. Got a low energy version today. 

Lance (2): We don't get the full Ian Gibson experience. 

Jake: Sweet. All right. To his right as well, Matt LeGrand.

Matt: What's up, ladies and gentlemen of the internet? You guys are looking all right. You're looking well Traveled. Thank you. Well traveled. I'm surprised you guys are back Back. 

Lance: It was a late night. Was it last night? We didn't, uh, we didn't get off the plane till 1230 a. m. Nice. Yeah, so it was, it was a little late last night.

Lance: We should just 

Matt: roll this right into a backpedal. Yep. Hep, since you're talking, got in late last night. From where? We, 

Lance: um, Ian and I went down to San Diego. We should have gone to Disneyland. [00:01:00] San 

Jake: Disneyland? 

Matt: We, we, San Diego. We went to San Diego. We went 

Lance: for three days. 

Matt: Spanish for three days. for Whale's Vagina.

Matt: Is that right? Is that what it says in the movie? This is true. 

Lance: I think so. Wrong 

Jake: nose. Yeah. 

Lance: Uh, we went down just to try to ride in the warmer weather. Um, Ian, uh, has flight benefits. I have hotel benefits. So we were able to make a pretty cheap trip for the two of us to go down there. You're a cheap date.

Lance: That's what you're saying. We are a cheap date. And I, and I don't mind, uh, traveling with Ian. He's a good, uh, travel buddy and writing buddy. So it, it all, it all kind of worked out. Uh, we went down, uh, we rode three days. Um, we did 14 hours in three days. So we rode. Four plus hours all three days. So, uh, a couple of longer days, uh, not a whole lot of elevation game.

Lance: We didn't do any big monster climbs. We were just trying to do some base building. 

Ian (2): [00:02:00] The 

Lance: weather was 65 or 70 degrees every day. So, um, it was, it was kind of nice. Lots of people out there riding. So it was a good time. I, what was the highlight for you? 

Ian: Uh, I think it just, yesterday was a great day. We met Chris down there, we rode with Mr.

Ian: Horner for a while. Um. 

Lance: We ended up connecting with Chris Horner, actually. Yeah. Um. Cause you guys are best friends with him now? Well, he actually saw us. He was down, he's been down there riding for a week or two. Okay. And he saw me and Ian riding the opposite direction on the PCH. Oh. That's weird. And he recognized the kits because he came to the training camp.

Lance: Okay, so he recognized the kits. He recognized the kits. Still, that's wild. And so Did he turn around and like chase you guys down? We were in a weird spot where he did not. But, um, he texted me. That night and said, Hey, are you guys riding? Why don't we meet up? And so we met up yesterday morning in a coffee shop called Panikin.

Lance: [00:03:00] It is, it is, I 

Ian: think that was the highlight of the trip for me. It was the coffee. It was the coffee 

Lance: shop, 

Ian: pastries and the coffee. 

Lance: We went to the, we went to the same. 

Ian: Lance had coffee. Then 

Lance: I did have a cup of coffee. You did. Well, it was just like, Ian was ordering something and I'd just go, just two of those.

Lance: So, cause it was, it was, what'd you have? I don't know. He had a latte. So what is that? How's that taste to you? It tasted 

Lance (2): terrible. 

Lance: You're just like, Oh, I'm going to wash that down with a giant cinnamon roll or something. So. Did you drink 

Matt: like a two sips and then just be like, and I'm done. Uh, 

Lance: no, just, then I added a whole bunch of sugar to it.

Lance: Okay. Sugar water. Then it was 

Matt: better. It was great coffee. Yeah, maybe it was. Who knows. But 

Lance: yeah, there's this, Panikin is this coffee shop right on the PCH, like right in Encinitas area. And there was always cyclists there every day that we [00:04:00] went by. So I guess it's one of the spots to stop. We went there initially because Horner recommended it.

Lance: Yeah, yeah, yeah. At training camp. Oh, okay. Last year. And so, yeah, Horner met us and, um, and then he took us for a little, uh, tour of Rancho Santa Fe area down there and we did, we rode with him for like two and a half or three hours and it was, it was fantastic. We just had a great time. Was he just by himself?

Lance: He was. Yep. Just, just chilling. Riding around. Yep. It was kind of funny, um Because he lives in Bend, right? He lives in Bend, but he has a buddy that lives in San Diego that has a gigantic house that is empty most of the time, because the guy lives by himself, and so Chris just says, Hey. Or the guy texts Chris and says, Horner, when are you going to come down?

Lance: I'm bored, out of my mind. And they ride motorcycles together. Chris Horner rides motorcycles. So they ride motorcycles together and they, and then Chris goes out biking and then Chris goes out biking and so I think it was, I [00:05:00] think it was fun for him to come ride with us. Yeah, I bet it was for a couple hours he had somebody to ride with.

Lance: Not that it was 

Ian: fun going up those hills at my sort of close to my VO two max and pin still just talking away and I'm just on my knees. I can't imagine how easy it is for 

Matt: him to ride with like normal people. 

Lance: Yeah. I mean, you guys are solid cyclists. We, and we did a couple, we didn't do any big climbs, but we did some like, like three minute efforts.

Lance: He's probably really out of shape too. Yeah. For him. And I'm at threshold just going up this roller, trying to like put in a bit of an effort and Horner is just, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Just, just telling stories. Just talking to my ears. It's funny, and Ian's behind us, like, also out of breath, and we're still talking the whole time.

Lance: It's so good. The funniest interaction was, on the way to the coffee shop, Ian and I were, hitting it kind of hard down [00:06:00] the PCH. We were going 22 or 23 miles an hour, not really hard, but we were going steady and some 70 year old guy jumped on our wheel and hung with us. How old? 70 year old. Whoa. Yeah. So we passed a couple guys and people were jumping on our wheel just for the free tow, which is cool.

Lance: Yeah, totally fine. But this guy actually hung with us the whole way to the coffee shop. Wow. And so, we pull off at the coffee shop. He was also going to the coffee shop. Yeah. He was, he was planning to meet a buddy there as well. And I'm like, oh yeah, we're meeting somebody else here, you know, too. And he's like, oh yeah, very cool.

Lance: So, we get in line to order our, you know, muffins and coffee. Dirt water. And, and, And like two minutes later, Horner walks in. He's like, Hey Lance, Ian, how are you guys? And we're like, Hey Chris, what's going on? And the guy's jaw just like dropped. He like recognized 

Matt: him immediately. And he like Well, if you're 70 years old and you can [00:07:00] hang with some young He's probably into cycling, obviously.

Matt: If you're into cycling, Chris Horner is kind of a big name. 

Lance: So he was like putting sugar in his coffee and he like turned to me and he's like, Is that Chris Horner? And I'm like, Yeah. He's like Is he with you guys? And I'm like, well yeah, we're meeting him here. Kinda. And he's like, oh my gosh, I want to say hi.

Lance: And so he says hi to Chris, and Chris immediately just invited him to sit down with us and have coffee. Yeah, it's cool. He's just like Very good. He's just cool, so. Anyway. That was it. 

Ian: The whole three days was great. Anyway, we did like 81 miles one day, 70 something the next couple of days. And it was just good to get that kind of bump in our training, like some early season volume kickoff, the kickoff training season.

Ian: And you're back 

Lance (2): here to the perfect weather. Yeah, we 

Lance: walked out this morning. I'm like, It is it [00:08:00] is ugly out right now 

Jake: it's chilly when you guys were gone it was not warm. Yeah Yeah, 

Lance: it's like 40 and raining here today. So 35 

Jake: last night if I'm mostly and raining took the dogs out of my this is cold. It's wet.

Jake: Give me back inside 

Lance: so anyway, we had a great time in San Diego and we came back very late last night and Here we are with you fine 

Matt: gentlemen fine Gentlemen indeed now the grant I went out biking, this is my quick, I mean, just like mostly to get footage for the, um, this bike wheel that I reviewed recently and, uh, it was so cold, like, so, have we talked about this recently?

Matt: I don't know, maybe we talked about it off air or whatever, but like, last time I went out riding, it was like a week ago or something like that, went out biking, had my normal cycling gloves or whatever, came back, You know, reaching them back, back, because I had taken my cycling gloves off or whatever, and I had one.

Matt: I'm like, damn it. I've done that somewhere. Yeah, and so these, and I [00:09:00] really don't have another good pair of cycling gloves. So I'm in the market for a pair. If you guys have any ideas, hit me up. Let me know. Maybe something from Dialed Cycling Labs, perhaps. 

Jake: Maybe, but also, um, because I don't ride bikes anymore.

Jake: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've got a glove for every single temperature and weather condition known to mankind. Do you have 

Matt: one glove 

Lance (2): that you can give the other one to? The funny part is, I feel 

Matt: like the color is like a neon green color or something. It's a very like, High vis Bright color. So there's no way you're gonna have a match.

Matt: It's just gonna be anyway, that doesn't matter I'll go mismatched any day of the week But so I went out riding and it was so cold that when I finished the bike ride I came in I came inside and I was like, I think I have frostbite like I was like Really really hurting and it took a long time. I just sat on I sat on my hands on the couch Warm them up Gradually, I didn't want to like put them under like warm water because I was like that'll just hurt But I thought I had done [00:10:00] damage.

Matt: It's cold here. I think Southern California is the way to go other than that, I've swam a couple times and Run a couple times. I think of swim meet So I went to swim meet swim meet since the past podcast and whenever I'm at swim meets. I'm always like Looking for a reason to go out for a run and so the swim meet is close to the Nike campus And so I've been going over to the Nike campus and doing Nike campus loops Oh, yeah, which it's got they have that like soft plush trail that goes around It's about two miles to go around the campus.

Matt: And so do a couple, you know, you run over there you do a couple loops It's it's it's great. It's fantastic. 

Lance: I was 

Matt: asking something. Sure 

Lance: The National Cross Country Championships were here in Portland. They 

Matt: always are. Oh, okay. So every year, um, I want to say, I'm going to mess up the name of this, someone will correct me if one of the listeners, Glendover Golf Course or something.

Matt: Glendover Golf Course. It's in Gresham. 

Lance: It's in Gresham. Oh yeah. Yeah. I 

Matt: didn't know. Wherever it is, uh, they do it every year here. And it's the [00:11:00] Nike. Team Nationals. It's called NXN. So they have NXR, Nike Team Regionals. And then they have NXN, which is the, like, if you qualify. Which, Kamis has qualified before.

Matt: It's just been ten years since I last did it. Sorry, I'm tapping the 

Lance: You qualify as a school? Or as a team? Or individual, 

Matt: as a team? It's really awkward, because you're not allowed to So after state there's all these rules about when you like what your team's allowed to do and so you kind of have to like Have your team be a club and then do regionals and then after regionals if your team qualifies for nationals Well, then there's another rule that's like well if you qualify for nationals, you can keep training and so it's like well We don't know if we're gonna qualify for nationals because we haven't done regionals yet So you basically go as a club to regionals and then you go to nationals and camus has gone You Um, the first two years that I coached, super cool, super neat experience for these athletes to go to the biggest race in the U.

Matt: [00:12:00] S. For high school runners. For high school runners. Yeah. For high school cross country runners. Yeah. And it's, it's right in Portland. So, it's pretty neat. They have to travel away to go to regionals and back home for nationals. So it's good. Yes. And it was super sloppy and rainy this past, I think it was this past weekend that the race happened or it was either this past weekend or two weekends ago.

Matt: Super sloppy, really gross. Cross country conditions. Yeah. 

Lance: Ugly day out there. 

Matt: Yes. 

Lance: Interesting. 

Matt: Jake, you got any backpedaling for us? Well, 

Jake: I think Ian should go first, because Well, okay. Backpedaling? You actually did stuff. I thought we just did that. Well, Lance talked a lot, and you sat there and watched him.

Jake: I was in 

Ian: Southern California with Lance freaking Hitler. 

Lance: See, here we go. I'm going to talk again. All we did was ride bikes, eat, and sleep. We were literally in bed every night by like 8. 30. I love it. Yeah, that sounds awesome to me. Sorry, I, I, I hijacked you again. Actually the 

Ian: eating part was really good since I've been kind of on [00:13:00] this weight loss gig for the past month or so, like watching my calories.

Ian: And then I'm figuring, I just did this ride and it says I burnt 3, 400 calories. So I'm going to go get a big old burrito. That was the best part 

Matt: whopper with cheese. Do you guys go out to eat or where did you guys eat? Uh, we went to little 

Lance: dive taco shops. Peace out. Nice. That's awesome. San Diego. That's a shirt, yeah.

Lance: We just went to little corner taco shops. Any fish tacos? Any good ones? Um, I don't eat fish. I had all veggie tacos. That's not a taco. I know. But we did, we did meet my son one night for dinner up in Santa Clemente. Oh, your son was there? He lives in Southern California now. I didn't know that. He's in San Clemente?

Lance: What? He's in San Clemente? No, he's not in San Clemente. We met in San Clemente. Oh, was halfway between where he is. I didn't realize that's where he 

Matt: was now. 

Lance: Yeah. Cool. Yeah, so he's down in Southern California, he's working for a company that works at at grade schools that, uh, does leadership training for grade schools.

Lance: And then they [00:14:00] put on a fun run fundraiser at the end of the week. And it teaches the kids about leadership and then how to run an event like that. And then the school gets the funds from the, uh, fun run. 

Matt: Oh, that's 

Lance: cool. Yeah. So new school every two weeks. 

Ian: I don't know. Would you, I don't know if I want to live in Southern California, but as a cyclist, I mean, it was, It's a great place to be, especially this time of year.

Ian: There's hundreds of people out there on the, uh, BCH. It's really nice. And, uh, you know, just because the climate's so good, everybody, uh, everybody seems to be out and looking healthy and, you know, it's just Summer and summer 

Jake: light. 

Ian: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't know. We should go back. It all worked out really well.

Ian: Alaska Airlines came through. Marriott Hotels came through. They both did us right. Good time. 

Jake: If you can get down that way, it's a great place to go ride and visit. I just would never want to live there again, but that's just me. 

Lance: We, we were like passed by thousands [00:15:00] and thousands of cars. Not one was aggressive or a problem.

Matt: They just, I think where you're biking, they probably are very aware. Like if you go here, you are going to be Amongst the cyclists. Yeah, 

Ian: I don't know if I even saw one of those these big old trucks down there Trump trucks. No, 

Lance: there's no there's no Yakult trucks out there

Jake: Lots of Priuses sounds fun Lots of Teslas. Lots of Teslas. For sure, yes. Those are the new Prius drivers, but I don't want to get into that. Um, my backpedal is I didn't do anything. I have a post op appointment coming up next week that I get to kind of find out what my, um, my sentence is going to look like for the next, I don't know, two to six weeks, I'm not quite sure yet how long it's going to be before I can get back on the bike, but stay tuned for next week.

Jake: I'll have some updates. Um, nothing funded to, uh, announce though. I just sat around and did a whole lot of nothing. At least nothing's worse. 

Lance: Hallelujah. And there's progress on that. 

Jake: Yeah, it's [00:16:00] all good. Um, so that aside, I think it's time to kind of move forward. Um, I did want to come back and talk first about the, uh, the segment, the new segment, our fan mail segment.

Jake: Fan mail. Yes. So we've, you know, we've been kind of kicking back and forth on like what a potential, um, Idea could be for the name of that. We had a listener chime in and I think this is a winner. Um, our listener from Idaho. I don't want to get into specifics. And I don't know. Do you think we should share the last four digits of their phone number?

Jake: That's all we see. Just so that we can know that that's, I would say no. What city in Idaho income I N K O M Idaho. Do you know where that's at? Nope. I have no idea where that's at. Well, whoever you are from there, thank you for sending this in, but I kind of like it. What do you guys think about chain mail?

Lance: Chain mail. 

Jake: Chain mail. Yeah, that fits. Chain mail. 

Lance: That works! That works. Yeah. Perfect. That's pretty good. 

Jake: So, that was our chain mail from last week. Thank you, Random 

Lance: Icom Idaho 

Jake: Yeah. Person. Podcast listener. We appreciate it. I like that, and that's a winner. Um, [00:17:00] if this is you, you can Feel free to shoot us an email and I'd like to send you something in the mail.

Jake: Just, just a little, a little thank you. So, um, info at dialedcycling. com. Shoot us an email and just kind of let us know who you are and we will send you something else should be kind of fun. Um, thank you for that. And I don't know what else we got here. Do we want to do the whole, this thing? No, no. 

Lance (2): Okay.

Lance (2): Yes. What's up champ? Is here. 

Lance: There there was a cyclocross race scheduled in Sardinia, Italy I've been there and have you really yeah, and it was like in the like French Riviera Yeah, yeah. Okay a storm blew through the whole thing was canceled. Oh, really? Yeah, man, which was cream sandwich It was real bummer for a lot of people because it was the one weekend of the year that there weren't A big race on Saturday and a big race on Sunday.

Lance: Mm-hmm . It was only a race on Sunday. Mm-hmm . And it was, they, people had to travel to get to that UCI race [00:18:00] and then it was canceled. They, it was, it was unrideable conditions. Well, 'cause of wind, I believe. 

Jake: Okay. The wind is the only thing that I could think that would Yeah. Make them want to stop. I mean, that's in an area where the weather's pretty nice down there.

Lance: Yeah. Some, 

Jake: something blew through and like interesting 

Lance: and like wiped out all the tents and all. It was, it was not good. That sucks. So anyway, um, other than that. I don't know that there's much news. This is that time 

Matt: of the season where it's like dead. I mean, the news is usually like transfer news.

Matt: There's not like a ton of stuff going on. Cyclocross got some big races coming up. Big races coming up. The 

Lance: Christmas period is also a, always a blast to watch because there's a, there's a race every day between Christmas and New Year's. Good news for you. This is great indoor riding weather. Yes, it 

Matt: is. You can just sit on that trainer and watch cyclocross.

Matt: I do like watching bike races when I'm on the trainer. Um, what do you use? What do you, like, is 

Lance: FlowSports like your? FlowSports has some of the races. It [00:19:00] has the UCI races. FlowSports is actually showing the national championships. Um, I generally wait until it's posted on YouTube somewhere. It's, it's much easier to navigate YouTube than it is flow sports.

Lance: So I'll wait till somebody posts the race on YouTube usually. So, um, we did finally hear that, uh, Vanderpool has released his cyclocross schedule. Uh, Wout van Aert has released his cyclocross schedule. Um, Wout is still recovering from that ugly knee injury in the Vuelta, Giro, Vuelta, Vuelta, yep, Vuelta, yep.

Lance: Um, he's still recovering from that. He's only planning on doing like four races. He is not going to do the world championships. Um, but, but he will square off with Vanderpool. Vanderpool has announced he's doing eight or nine cyclocross races. Okay. Um, he'll square off with Van Der Poel with, um, in four of those races.

Lance: [00:20:00] And Van Der Poel has said he is almost assuredly going to the World Championship Cyclo Cross. Yeah. Hoping to win a seventh World Cyclo Cross Tour title. 

Matt: February 2nd. Yeah. Somewhere in France. 

Lance: In Ibine or something like that? 

Matt: Yeah. I don't know where that is. 

Ian: If you were Isabeth or one of those other guys, you must, it must just be, oh well, that's my season over with, like.

Matt: We'll see I think we won't know until they start racing and if he just is dominant again, then you're like, yep That's and Pidcock. 

Lance: Don't know. I I haven't heard whether he's gonna do any cyclocross races He has officially transferred to that other team Q 30 Q 30 30 Q 34 9 7 8 11 teen That's it It's actually a Swiss um Apparel company, but that's who's sponsoring this team, but he is keeping Pinarello [00:21:00] bikes for mountain bike and cyclocross.

Lance: So he's still going to be racing cyclocross on, on Pinarello and mountain bikes, but, but the team has a different road sponsor Scott, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. So he'll be rich. It's interesting 

Jake: because, you know, Scott, if they're sponsoring that team and he's on that team, they want him on their mountain bike.

Jake: Of course. I, I. Pitcock has a relationship with Pinarello already somehow. So he gets to do his own thing. I guess. It must've, must've been part of his, um, contract negotiations. They're a little contingency factor. There was, there had to be all sorts of contingency factors. The contractor's 

Matt: reads, I get to do whatever the heck I want.

Jake: Well, Pinarello, not for nothing, didn't they start making mountain bikes so that he would be riding on theirs? Cause he was riding like basically white labeled, uh, BMC four stroke. They took off all the, the badging on it and it was a four stroke, but Did they even sell a mountain bike? Pinarello mountain bike?

Jake: I think that they made one and it was pretty much geared towards him. For Pidcock. Yeah. 

Lance: Yeah. Interesting. 

Jake: [00:22:00] Yeah. So, I don't know. That's kind of curious, but if you're going to jump over to a team that has a bike sponsor that makes mountain bikes. 

Lance (2): Yeah. 

Jake: And they're good mountain bikes. What's your, that's what you ride.

Lance: I mean, you know, the peacock situation is very different. Just like, I mean, he makes 5 million euros a year and I guarantee you, this team is not paying him 5 million a year. They're probably paying him too, which means Ineos is paying him 3 million not to race for their team. So, because. They're covering half, they still, they have the contract with him.

Lance: So they have to honor the contract. So now instead of having to pay him 5 million, 5 million euros, they're going to probably pay two or 3 million euros. And the new team is paying the rest of his salary. So Ineos does get to save a little bit of money, but still 

Jake: kind of curious how that works though, because it's not like they didn't want him on the team.

Jake: They wanted him, I think, but there was like legit broken. Exactly. Why wouldn't they just, why wouldn't both entities [00:23:00] agree just to say, alright, we're going to go our own ways and then they void the contract and then he's free to sign with this other team. I 

Matt: wonder if it's how the contract reads, like, if you break this contract you still have to pay out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Matt: Like, a lot of the contracts read that way, so. Right. 

Lance: So who knows. Depends on how good the 

Matt: agent 

Lance: is. Yeah. Yeah. Curious. I'd love to, to read that one, but it is what it is. Cool. Um, what else? I don't know. Nothing. 

Jake: Cyclocross. Nothing. Please. Thank you. 

Lance: We are having our cyclocross national championships in the U.

Lance: S. It is in Louisville, Kentucky. Uh, the last time it was there, it was a terribly muddy week. Um, so far it hasn't been so muddy. There haven't been a whole lot. The, the age group Championship races between 30 and 60 are happening today, so I don't know what's happened with those. Um, the men's and women's elite races are tomorrow, on Saturday.

Lance: [00:24:00] Is today Friday? 

Ian: It is. 

Lance: Okay. All 

Jake: day long, 

Ian: Friday. 

Lance: It's Friday the 13th. It sure is. Okay. So, the, the, the The, the, the junior elite and the elite races are all happening tomorrow. Those will all be shown on flow sports. And I think flow sports only. Um, but the big news for us here in the Portland area is we had a local athlete win a national championship and put on a stars and stripes Jersey, and that's Robin Cummings, former teammate of dial.

Lance: He used to be, they used to be on the dialed cycling team. They are now on. Team S and M, which is, they used to be part of both teams, correct? 

Jake: They're on, um, team O as well. So they're splitting two teams. So, 

Lance: yeah, correct. So bouncing around a little bit, but Robin Cummings is, he won the non binary division.

Lance: Okay. So they won the non binary division. Yes. 

Matt: You went 

Lance: into this thing. I'm going to screw this up so many times. [00:25:00] We talked about it beforehand that I need to get the pronouns right. And I still didn't get the pronouns right. So hardwired, also done a good 

Matt: job on the first name. So Robin, that's changed.

Matt: It's changed, which is awesome. Yeah. And they, 

Lance: they did not list the name correctly on the website for the national championship. It's still listed as Robert. Okay. It's changed. They can probably change the results. Yeah. 

Matt: Okay. 

Lance: Very cool. Way to go. Robin. Fantastic. Nice work. Love it. Well done. Champ out. 

Jake: Well, one other quick question.

Jake: You gave us one other little factoid about the, um, national championship races for the 70 plus category. Oh, that was pretty cool in terms of the size of that field. And I think that you need to put that out there because, you know, there's a lot of people that, that don't realize how competitive you can still be as you get up there in age and these guys are.

Jake: They're crushing 

Lance: [00:26:00] yesterday. They had 

Jake: about fricking cyclocross in the middle of winter, 

Lance: you know? So they had the national championships for master men, 60 to 64, plus, uh, and in the 70 plus division, there were 24 athletes racing at nationals. That is freaking awesome. Over 70. Wow. That's a freaking amazing 74.

Lance: We have a big cyclocross scene here in the Portland area, and we have a 70 field as well, and there's usually two guys in it, which is great. There's two guys that show up that are over 70 and still race, but nationals, there were actually over 20 

Ian: people. 

Lance: Unbelievable. 

Ian: This is inspiring. Yeah. Because I'm kind of dreading that.

Ian: Like it's, it's only six years away and it's going to be me and two other guys in my race, you know, during the seventies. But you're kind of crushed and everybody would be like, Oh, he's doing great for his age. [00:27:00] 

Ian (2): Well, 

Jake: I invite people to go out and ride with you. And they will quickly change their mind as to, all right, this guy's legitimate.

Jake: I, and seriously, like when we go ride with you and I've said this a million times, I'll say it another million times, like when you've got your hat or your helmet on your sunglasses and you get in your tucked position and you start throwing down the Watts and you, if you didn't know who Ian was, you'd look at him thinking that guy's gotta be like 30 or 40 something.

Jake: Cause that's just how you behave yourself. And that's how you look on the bike. You're legit, dude. 

Ian (2): He takes his helmet off, oh my god. He's an old guy, but yeah. 

Lance: Even more inspiring, oh, see, let me get this right. The 70 to 74 field had 24 people in it. Alright. The 75 to 79 field had 8. Nice. That's fantastic.

Lance: And, there was a 90 year old that also completed the race. 

Jake: National champion. 

Lance: Yes. National champion. Sweet. Frederick Schmidt from Geriatrics. 

Lance (2): That's the team he's on. 

Lance: Oh, that's awesome. 

Lance (2): It's called Geriatrics [00:28:00] with a, with an X at the end. Who are they sponsored by? I don't know. But I just read that. That's fantastic.

Lance (2): That is good. All right. That's it. 

Matt: They should have some sort of big pharma sponsor. They 

Lance (2): should be. Right? Yeah. This is started by a guy. So and so cardiology. 

Jake: All right. You boys done? We done champ? Yeah. Thank you champ. Hey, 

Lance: wait. There's lots of athletes.

Jake: Lance just gave birth to a hot seat question. You got something there for us, buddy? 

Lance (2): No, I don't even have a good question. Who's got 

Jake: some, who wants to go first? 

Matt: I can go, I can always go first. All right. Go for it, man. All right. So. Soccer season, Lance already alluded to a lot of this, Wild and MVP are going to go toe to toe four times this season, who comes out on top?

Matt: Oh. And I think that this is a, we all kind of have a gut feeling of which direction this is going. It's definitely Vanderpool. Because he's 

Lance: [00:29:00] healthy. 

Matt: Yeah, Vanderpool's health. Anyone think there's a chance for Wout to, to win one? No, 

Lance: I don't. Do you think that he's gonna get second the whole time? Okay, Wout is a three time Cyclocross world champion.

Lance: He's won three times, MVP's won six, so I get it. Um, but, With, but Wout has been injured and has been much more difficult recovery than expected. So he's still kind of, Floundering a little. Or is he? Or 

Lance (2): is he? Or is he? That's a good question. 

Matt: They do kinda keep those cards pretty close to the ship. They do?

Matt: Yeah. 

Lance: So 

Matt: you, there's no chance. You think he gets, do you think he gets second? Yes. You think he's gonna get second? 

Lance: Those two are heads and 

Matt: tails above everybody else. So, so WoW will go with MVP and they'll drop the field. Yeah. Like they usually do. And then at some point, MVP either kicks and wins like he always does.

Matt: Yes. Or, Or, He drops well, because he's, well, it's not quite, quite the shape that he should be. 

Lance: Okay. MVP had a phenomenal year last year. Um, [00:30:00] is, is it all, is it still too much? Is he, but how old is he? What is he? 29? I don't know. I don't know. It sounds possible. 28, something like that. I was going to say 30.

Lance: Yeah. So he's gotta be still just being able to handle all that volume. So What did he win last year? And Wout is similar, 

Matt: like, maybe just a year, couple years older? Yeah, like a year older. Yeah, something like that. 

Lance: Yeah, that's right, because they've raced each other for, when they were juniors. Since they were like, 11 and 12 years old, they've been racing each other.

Lance: Yeah. Belgium versus the Netherlands. 

Matt: It's a big thing. It's a big thing. So, are we going around the table saying like, hot seat question, everyone's saying MVP? 

Ian (2): Yeah, kind of have to. 

Jake: Barring some kind of accident or injury. I'm going to go with like the reverse psychology and say there's no way that Wout van Aert is going to win.

Jake: Okay. Please Wout. Alright, so then I'll say Wout 

Matt: at least wins one out of the four. That'd be awesome. 

Jake: Of the four head to head match ups, huh? 

Matt: Yeah. Anyone else want to win? Are you saying all four [00:31:00] MVP gets? 

Lance: Well, last year they squared off, what, eight times? I don't think Wout won any of them. Yeah. Did not. So they came close, they sprinted it out a couple times, but I think he still got it.

Lance: I'm gonna, 

Matt: I'm gonna, yeah, Wilde's gonna win one, we'll bet a beer on it, and uh I don't, we've bet beers before in the past and I have no idea because we can't remember the bets that we make so that's There's no record. Lance doesn't drink beer. I know, that's why. We have that non alcoholic rhythm. He doesn't drink coffee.

Matt: I don't drink coffee either. Coffee and a beer is the bet. No matter what I win, no matter what I win, because if Lance wins then I just, I hand it to you and I give it back to you. Exactly, good point. 

Jake: Uh, Wout's 30, Vanderpoel is 29. 

Lance: Oh, Wout's older by a year. Yeah, pretty close. 

Jake: Cool. 

Matt: That's my hot seat question.

Matt: That's all I got. Nothing too, nothing too hot. 

Jake: You know what, hold on real quick though, cause, um, MVP actually turns 30 in January, so he's coming up on it, so they're, they're pretty stinking [00:32:00] close. I think, uh, Wout's, I think, I know, his birthday's in September, and Vanderpoel's is in January, so they've only got, what, four month, uh, separation between the two of them.

Jake: Wow. Wow. That's uh, that's uh, pretty close for two guys to be that dominant. So when, when 

Ian: does MVP make his first appearance then? When's that going to be? 

Matt: Um, soon. I want to say December 22nd or something like that. Zonhoven, December 

Lance: 22nd. 

Ian: Cool, that's next weekend. 

Lance: And the 23rd. So he's, he'll, he'll race Saturday and Sunday.

Lance: And then the following weekend, same thing, Saturday and Sunday. Oh no. Then we get into that. No, then it's Christmas period. Yeah. And then it's like, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Monday, Wednesday, yeah, oh jeez, 

Matt: yeah it's like eight races in like ten days. It's nice that these races are not so long that they can't race like back to back days.

Matt: I don't know how How much it takes out of them, you know, because I mean, I don't know what it's like to train at that [00:33:00] level It's a 60 minute race, right? So but then in these guys are fit as a fiddle. It's all top end. Yeah I'm sure they're going hard I just I'm surprised to see like after four days of hitting it hard every single day that and that Like if you were to race I equate things to running cuz that's how I think but if you were to race a 10k Which is a 30 minute race and you were to do that four days in a row.

Matt: You would be done. So just ripped. I find 

Ian: if I've any like hard training ride or particularly a race, it's those Sort of brief two minute efforts at full power. When you quads get a massive burn on that, that gives you the fatigue into the, into the next two or three days. It's just those, those very short, very sharp efforts and those 60 minute cyclocross races that that's pretty much all they are.

Ian: It's like that. It's just one after a. One effort after the next of that [00:34:00] massive high intensity. 

Matt: Yes, unless you're so fit that they don't even bother you. 

Ian: It would take me a week to get over the initial sprint out of the start, I think. 

Lance: Yeah, right, because it's absolutely full gas. It is, it's more than that.

Lance: All those guys are doing more than a thousand watts off the starting line. 

Lance (2): It's pretty 

Lance: crazy. You know, it's interesting because, um, because of the way the Christmas period ends up, a lot of the bigger athletes were going to skip this last weekend's Sardinia race. Right. So they could do a bigger training block to set them up for the Christmas period.

Lance: And so. A lot of athletes were skipping that Sardinia race and then it gets cancelled. So the ones that actually showed up really got doubly screwed because they had a shot at winning a World Cup Yeah. without some of the big names in it. And they probably 

Matt: messed up their training, I don't know. Yeah. You know.

Matt: Yeah, it would have. Because if they're there in town and they're They're there in town and the weather's not great. Hmm. Good. Hotsy [00:35:00] questions? 

Lance: Okay, so, my hotsy question will will Bounce off of that. Perfect. Okay, let's hear it. Is there any way Vanderpool doesn't win the the national champ or the world championship.

Lance: Yes. Oh, 

Ian: Lancer's burned all his matches. Wait, that's the same question. 

Matt: That's 

Lance (2): from Dylan. 

Matt: I love Dylan. We need to have Dylan back on. He's fine. He's hilarious. So, MVP, there's so many things, right? Like he, there's so, injuries happen in cycling all the time. Yeah. So, he is, he is one mistake from being done with his cyclocross season before it starts.

Matt: So. How many world 

Lance: championships does he have? Because didn't last year, he, last year, like in a 12 month period, he had He's done a lot of world championships. He had the, he had the road race world championship. He had, he won the gravel world championship. I think there was three of them. Cyclocross.

Lance: Cyclocross. And cyclocross. Thank you. He won cyclocross, the road, and gravel. He had three world [00:36:00] championships and won like 12 

Matt: months 

Lance: period. So you get like 

Matt: an extra stripe or two on your 

Ian: jersey for that. Is there a chance though that the rest of the field, like the full time cyclocross guys have gotten better?

Ian: Over the seasons, like will they be getting closer to the, there's always, 

Lance: there's always one or two that like have a good day at a particular race and they're right there and they're with them. But it ends up just. Getting away from them at some point. Yeah. 

Jake: Real quick, uh, Vanderpool has six Cycl across World Championships, like you have alluded to.

Jake: He won in 20 15, 19 20, 20, 20, 21, 23, and 24. He has one, uh, gravel World Championship in 2024 and won Road World Championship in 2023. Okay, 

Lance: so 

Ian: mildly successful then, mildly. Yeah. 

Lance: He's decent cyclists and, and if he gets a seventh in February, he will tie the record, the record for a CYCL Cross world championship.

Lance: Yeah. By some dude. [00:37:00] Yeah. Belgium probably. 

Jake: Can I have like a little 

Lance: tangent, 

Jake: little tangent hot question for you real quick? This isn't my hot question, but it's going to bounce off of yours that bounced off of Matt's. You're a company, you got a marketing budget and you've got some money to spend. All of it.

Jake: You want to sponsor, you want to sponsor a writer. Are you going to sponsor Vanderpool? In his prime, or Taddei Pagaccia? Oh, I guess you could say that Vanderpool's kind of still in his prime. 

Matt: What kind of company are you? What do you deal? Does it matter? Yeah, it matters. If you're cyclocross, cyclocross tires, orange juice whiskey shots, orange juice, whiskey shots, then Taddei, definitely Taddei, right?

Matt: Let's just say that you're 

Jake: like a tech company or you're an automotive company, something that's kind of nondescript, but you want to, not nondescript. Taddei, 

Matt: automotive company. MVP. MVP. For sure. MVP drives a Lamborghini. Lambo. Right. Or several Lamborghinis. Some of it's gonna Depends on which day, which color.

Ian: Gonna depend on where your, um, market is though, I mean True. [00:38:00] That's true. In, in Belgium and, and the Netherlands, those guys are literally household names. Yeah. Yeah. They're superstars, so. Yeah. You would backing those guys would hold on a lot of clout. 

Jake: Yeah. I don't know. I, that would be a tough one. I mean, you got, um, two good guys.

Jake: I mean, Todd is personable. He's, he's considered the best cyclist in the world, but road, I mean, but only does road. Yeah. And, and Vanderbilt holds his own and he's got a world championship there. He races the gravel stuff and cyclocross and mountain bike. I mean, he's a little bit more diverse. So yeah. And you gotta look at, like, both good looking guys, but, you know, VP probably draws a little bit more on that, that side of things, not that I It's kind of a subjective thing, but We were checking him out.

Jake: To most people, the general 

Ian: population who are not cyclists, it's the Tour de France, it's everything, it's the only bike race that most people know about. So in that respect, then I would say Taddei for sure. 

Lance: I think, uh, I think Vanderpool has the bigger [00:39:00] draw, the bigger audience because it's across three or four different disciplines that he does.

Lance: And so there's more racing year round. 

Matt: But cyclocross is a pretty small spectator. I mean, it's just not the same as like road cycling, especially in Europe. You ever been to a cyclocross 

Lance: race? 

Matt: Well, I did one time. This one time I went, and some guy handed me a beer. It was the greatest day of my life. 

Lance (2): No, 

Matt: I'm just saying like Compared to road cycling.

Matt: Yes. Cyclocross is smaller. Small potatoes, right? It's it's not mountain biking. It's tiny. You you watch road 

Lance: racing on TV. cyclocross race from the sidelines. Okay, there you go. Or that's the that's the preferred 

Matt: experience from the sidelines. I think cyclocross obviously has grown in the past 15 years, it's gotten much bigger in the past 10 15 years, but I still think road cycling is kind of like, it's a cultural thing in Europe.

Lance: I mean, there's nothing bigger than the Tour de France. Everybody knows that. [00:40:00] Freaking Armstrong, Lance Armstrong made it a household name, a household event in 

Matt: the U. Ian's point, like, which, where is your country based, like, if your country's based in Belgium, or if your country's based in Slovenia. Yeah.

Matt: Things might be different. No question. 

Jake: Yeah. Hmm. Interesting. All right. Yeah. All right. Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your question. Yes, you did. Curious. So, what was your question again? It doesn't matter. Moving on. Is there any chance that Vanderpool does not get it? 

Matt: Yes. I said yes. Do you think he's going to win?

Matt: Uh, 

Jake: he's doing, you said seven 

Matt: races? Ten 

Jake: or twelve. Oh, seriously? 

Lance: 1, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 races. 

Jake: So, you guys are saying he's going to go 11 for 11? They're all in Belgium. And one in France. Yes. Haha. Do you think he's going to lose a single race? I mean, statistically speaking, he has to lose at least one or not lose, but be not in first place.

Jake: Yes. So it's, 

Lance: it's likely that he doesn't [00:41:00] win them all. Did he win 

Jake: all of them last year though? I think he did. I think he swept. He might have, I'm going to say he's going to have a mechanical in there and he's going to not win one. 

Lance: Something, something happens. 

Jake: Yeah. And he's got to be in pretty good shape right now too.

Jake: If 

Lance: Felipe Nystrom gets in front of him again, Falls him on the ground instead of taking an elbow in the head. Anyway. 

Jake: Anyway, that's a, that's a good question. Give all you got yours. 

Ian: Yeah. Uh, let's bring it back to us as a cycling, uh, sport participants. And given that we're kind of getting into the middle of.

Ian: Training season cruelly, I would add, you know, because so many of our races and events, this part of the world happened kind of early spring, springtime. So we're forced to train in this horrible, gloomy crap. Anyway, my question is, um, How much of an impact is this going to have on your, you guys's, [00:42:00] uh, training and preparation?

Ian: The Christmas holidays, the Christmas season is far more than just one day, right? As I, I was reminded in the airport in San Diego yesterday, listening to a couple of people. Endless Christmas music, um, that we're right in the middle of it. So how much is this affecting what you're doing on 

Matt: grinched out there yesterday.

Matt: I did, 

Ian: yeah, yeah. 

Matt: Just complete, just went 

Lance: all down. You gotta listen naked. He went full Ebenezer there for a moment. I 

Ian: wish, I wish we could just have Christmas Day. I love it. It's a great day, but right now Three 

Matt: months of Christmas is too much? Too much. I think that it's, it definitely plays a role where for me, I'm not, I'm not wanting to like go on a big like diet binger until opposite of binger until after.

Matt: Like Christmas holidays probably like January 1st makes a lot of sense for me. Like I always do like a dry January or [00:43:00] I think last year I did two months and so I'll try and do something similar, but I don't want to start that before Christmas So 

Ian: I think that yeah, that's common, right? I 

Matt: think that's super common yeah, my wife almost I she almost like cleared out the store because like She was just like, Oh, it's going to be the holidays.

Matt: People are going to be coming in and out. Like, we just need wine on hand. And I'm like, you just cleared out Costco. They don't have any wine over there anymore. Like it's all at our house. And then I was like, well, might as well open up one of those bottles. And so like last night we had wine, we put ornaments on the tree.

Matt: It was fantastic. Okay. But like, yeah, I'm not, it's not a great time for me to be like, got to buckle down. 

Ian: Right. When you're hanging ornaments on the tree, you're not on your trainer on Swift. I 

Matt: should have been on the trainer trying to hang ornaments at the same time. That was a rookie mistake. 

Ian: Who, who sits on their trainer and listens to inspirational Christmas music?

Lance: Yeah, that's a good question. You just put up one of those, uh, ambiance, uh, YouTube videos that run for like 12 hours. Oh, yeah. And it's just like a [00:44:00] winter Christmas. If 

Ian: I hear any more. 

Jake: I don't have any problems with it. And my family, we're very like adamant about like, Christmas does not start until Thanksgiving is over.

Jake: And it's actually kind of a tradition of ours. As soon as like. Like Thanksgiving is done. We like start to like, cause we always host Thanksgiving. We start kicking people out. Like, all right, got to go, got to go. We have like this, we talk to each other, like, all right, this is the time that we're going to kick everybody out of the house and no joke, it starts to happen.

Jake: Like we start shutting everything down. We start like moving things and we start like turning off lights and you know, then people start to kind of get the message and then they leave. And as soon as that door shuts, we're straight into Christmas mode. We're pulling out all the Christmas decorations. We start the process, which usually takes two to three days.

Jake: We're kind of fanatical about it, but that is what it is. I enjoy that time period though, that it's a good solid month. And I, I think it's good to, to have a, that at that time of year where you can kind of like, I don't enjoy the season, but, um, I do find that if I'm in a training program that I do much, much better getting through the holidays, [00:45:00] like managing stuff, like, like don't overdo it, you know, indulge a little bit, but don't overdo it.

Jake: It's so that when you do come out on the backside, if. You know, you're doing it right. You're not really putting yourself in a hole. You enjoyed yourself. And then there's something kind of cathartic too, about when you just turn over to the new year and you're just like, everything is done, everything's put away.

Jake: I can really just focus down now and make it all happen. I usually feel pretty good. And you're just kind of like really fine tune things. I mean, don't do, I don't personally do the whole new year's resolution thing, but it's just a good time of year to kind of clean the slate and say, all right, let's do this now.

Jake: I've, you know, I didn't do that bad last month. And. So I, I personally don't have a problem with it and I enjoy the season and yeah, and this year hopefully will be better than last year. I didn't train. I mean, I was at the gym last year, but you know, and I, I wasn't riding cause I was injured and I'm off the bike again for other reasons, but, um, I think that I'll be in a better place once I am given the go ahead to get back on the bike and I should be able to actually have a pretty competitive year if all things go as planned.

Ian: Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean, I, I enjoy the season. I'm [00:46:00] not that much of a Grinch. My question was just how, how does it affect your, your training? Like, do you, do you work around it? Do you dial it down a bit? Do you wait until it's over? How about you Lance? 

Lance: Uh, generally I go full indulgent during the holidays and just put weight on.

Lance: That's been traditionally what I've done just because I, you know, shut down. But last year I did not do that. I was very cautious all of December about what I ate. Very intentional about what I ate. And then, um, doing the RAFA 500 between Christmas and New Year's was very motivating for me. Literally trying to ride 500 kilometers.

Lance: Between Christmas Eve and New Year's Day. That's, it's a lot. That's good by three hundred miles. It's pre, pre, 

Jake: pre training camp, right? Yeah, pre training camp. Pre, pre, pre. Well, me and Ian already did our pre. Pre, pre, pre. Pre, 

Lance: pre, pre. Yeah. So, um, so getting those base miles in and usually, I hate to say this, but I [00:47:00] usually do that whole rough of 500k on the trainer because it's, if it's too cold out, I don't want to get frostbite on my, Weiner.

Lance: Yeah, exactly. It used 

Jake: to be that you couldn't actually log those into the, that actual event on Strava. If you were doing it indoors and they, they changed that, they changed that. I've done it a couple of times in my day and it's actually a nice little challenge. Like it, it kind of forces you to like, just go out and suck it up.

Jake: And I never really regretted any of the rights, but there were a couple of years where it's like, like freezing rain and snow and sleet and icy roads. I'm like, there's no way. And that kind of thwarted the whole thing. So knowing that you do have the ability to ride indoors is kind of good, but if you could do it outside, I think that that makes a world of difference.

Lance: Rafa used to send a actual patch to you if you completed it, if you filled out the thing. Yeah, I have a couple of them, but now it's just a virtual thing on Zwift. Yeah. So a virtual badge on Zwift. But yeah, so, um, That is motivating for [00:48:00] me. At least, at least it gives me something to focus on or a goal to try to accomplish between Christmas and new year's.

Lance: Plus you've got all these freaking psych cross raises to watch during that time. So, and those races are happening at like three in the morning, our time. So there's usually a replay somewhere by the time I roll onto my trainer during that week. The other thing that can be motivating for me is I'll put a.

Lance: Very early race on my calendar, just so that I have the Motivation. Um, carrot. I won't like, I won't like peak for that race. I mean, last year I did a, I did a mountain bike race in Phoenix in January, and I might do the same one again. 

Jake: Keeps you honest with your training. Yeah, 

Lance: yeah. It just, I'm, yeah, 

Ian: I'm, I'm by no means fanatical about it.

Ian: I mean, I, I am on a weight loss kick right now and I'm starting to train, but the thing I do, I want to avoid is. Getting through, you know, just letting it all slip and [00:49:00] getting to January 1st and having this rush of motivation, but then find that I've got this massive hole to dig out of. That's what I've generally 

Lance: gone through in years past.

Lance: And last year I didn't go through that and I had a pretty good year this year. 

Jake: Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's good stuff. I haven't said that in a while. No. Good stuff. Except 

Lance: for 8 minutes ago. We listened to the tape. 

Jake: Alright, is it my turn? Yeah. Yeah. I've got several. Do you guys want to play choose your own adventure?

Jake: I'll throw them out and you guys pick the one that you want. Alright. Your least loved current cycling item? Least loved. Um, Next, next one. My single 

Matt: glove. I loved it when there were two of them. But not a frozen wiener. Yeah, throw that one out. 

Jake: Your best tips for newer cyclists? And then I was kind of curious, what is your go to brand for cleaners and lubes?

Jake (2): So, 

Jake: those are my three questions, and I wasn't sure which one to lean into, so I'd let you guys choose your own adventure. If you want to answer all of them, go for it. 

Matt: Well, [00:50:00] ahhh. I want to try the, um, brand that we talked about like last week. What was it? The, uh, it's the Italian name, but it's silica. Thank you.

Matt: I want to try that. I have not tried that yet. Uh, I still use, I feel like it's called like rock and roll. It's like this, like it's rock and roll gold. And the color is kind of like yellow and I still use that. And that's got like a, it's kind of a wax based lubricant. It's good. Solid, 

Jake: solid option. So we're going to go with the lubes and cleaners.

Jake: What do you use for your cleaners? Currently you want to try the Silco stuff and I know newsflash. It's pretty awesome. 

Matt: Yeah, I know. That's definitely something that's interesting. Um, I can't remember the name of the, oh, it's um, it's like this, for like decreasing, it's something called like simple grain, have you guys ever heard of that?

Matt: Yeah. I don't know. That's what I've used. I don't know any better. Easy Vet or there? Yep. All right. I use muck off's. Degreaser. Oh yeah. For my, oh, I have that chain. Yeah, for my, it's easy '

Lance: cause it just having like a spray can helps. Yep. Yeah. Spray it on and write, [00:51:00] wipe everything down. So that's generally what I use.

Lance: You're muck off Guy. MI like Moff stuff. Moff is good. Makes good. But my lube, I've been using squirt. Right on the squirt 

Jake: stuff, huh? Yeah. Squirt's good too, I like that. Um, I've been using the, when I ride bikes, uh, the Silcas, they're super secret chain whack stuff. Um, that, that stuff is really good, I quite like it.

Jake: I used squirt for a long time, I like that too. Is the Silco stuff not as messy as Squirt? Correct, it is, um, less messy. Yeah, it's less messy. Less messy, from my experience. I could be wrong, but it's less messy. What about you, Ian? What are you using these days? 

Ian: WD 40. Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know, to be honest.

Ian: Uh, I've been to a few races and I, we keep getting these little, little bottles of lube. Yeah. Handed out with the pre race packets and it lasts forever. So I just did some generic white bottle of lube. 

Jake: Yeah. Yeah. Do you use any special cleaners for like cleaning your drive train and cleaning down your bike and [00:52:00] cleaning off your rotors and wiping everything down to make sure?

Jake: I 

Ian: spray alcohol. 

Jake: Top to bottom. Alcohol on your 

Lance: rotors. 

Ian: Yeah. Yeah. 

Lance: Yeah. I mean, it works. And in your whiskey. 

Ian: Um, I got one of those park to, um, Jane bath things. Yeah. Fill that up with ice purple. It does a great job to clean the chain off. Let it dry for a while. And then I think a lot of the guys 

Matt: that do that are really big time drive chain efficiency.

Matt: That's how they clean their chains. So, 

Ian: well, see, I've come from an aviation maintenance background and that we use that all the time on really expensive jet airplanes. So it works for my bike. You 

Jake: use 

Lance: what? 

Ian: Isopropyl alcohol, 

Jake: isopropyl alcohol, a certain percentage, or is it any, just, if you need 

Ian: to de grease something, you just spray it, hose it down.

Ian: Yeah. But there's percentages 

Jake: of the isopropyl, like the, the, the, the, the, the, the, 

Ian: I used to get the higher percentage, whatever it is, [00:53:00] 90. Where do you 

Jake: pick it up? 

Ian: Freddie's, Walgreens. Yeah. Okay. Costco 

Jake: is a good place too. Costco's got it. We, we keep, we use a lot of isopropyl, isopropyl alcohol down at the lab and I just buy it in bulk at Costco.

Jake: Okay. 

Ian: Yeah. MEK, tricol, tricol, ethylene, all that stuff. There are, 

Jake: and kind of the reason why I wanted to ask this question is, is there are so many different ways to skin this cat now, and there's a lot of brands that are bringing stuff to the market that are like multi steps, um, to like, to Getting cleanliness and efficiency and lubrication and all that other fun stuff.

Jake: It's just 

Ian: weird how it's marketed to cyclists. It all does the same stuff, but then it's lemon scented. Yeah. You 

Jake: know, Makov has a bunch of different things that they offer, but they do keep it relatively simple. Like, hey, here's a good wet lube, and here's a good dry lube, and here's a good degreaser. And that's going to work pretty well for most of your bike.

Jake: And then they've got other specialty cleaners for rotors and wheels. Washing your bike and all that other kind of stuff. And then you get into Silca and yes, it's a little bit more expensive and yes, they do have some multi [00:54:00] step cleaning processes. But what I like about them is they kind of back it all up with some science of like, Hey, this is what you're using.

Jake: This is how you use it. And this is why, and this is what it's actually doing. You know, you don't have to do the whole thing, but if you're looking for that. That little marginal gain, that's, that's their jam. And that's a really good system to kind of use and follow. You guys 

Matt: do cycling, the dial cycling lab offers a chain waxing service, right?

Matt: What, what does that entail? What does, what do you get for that? You bring in a dirty chain and they give you a nice clean wax chain, or do you like Get, is it like part of a brand new chain, like how does it work? 

Jake: Yeah, we've got special, um, hydrasonic cleaners that we use and special solutions that will let them sit in there to get completely stripped down and clean.

Jake: And then we've got a separate one that we use to do the full waxing and then the full drying process. And then we'll reinstall the chain for you or just give it back. So, you know, if you've got a chain that hasn't been, been worn out, we can do a full cleaning for you. Or if you wanted to do a new chain, um, we can set you up with that as well.

Matt: For new chains to you guys. Like, same [00:55:00] thing, pull off whatever the company has in there and then put something, okay. You 

Jake: gotta strip it all the way down to basically just raw, 

Matt: naked, clean metal. And then to know if they need a new chain, the best thing to do is a chain measurement tool. 

Jake: Yep. Yep. That's your best bet.

Jake: So cool. And then you also need to make sure that you clean the drivetrain as well. That's kind of the key component that sometimes people don't fully remember to do, because you don't want to put a nicely fresh, clean wax chain on dirty, uh, chain rings and a cassette. It's just not, not happy time. So make sure that everything's clean and you can actually take all of that stuff and throw it in with the, uh, the chain when you're doing the high, um, ultrasonic cleaning.

Jake: So yeah. Good call. Yeah, so, but yep, there's a bunch of cool different brands out there that provide stuff, but I think that those are kind of all of our favorites, like in the alcohol that you mentioned that that's, that's a key thing that I think that people need to keep in their garage, you know, get yourself a good squirt bottle and get some stuff in bulk and just have it around and it works for a multitude of different purposes.

Jake: Um, do you guys have a cleaner that you use to get tire sealant off your bikes? Anything special there? 

Lance (2): Rag. 

Jake: Rag? 

Lance (2): I [00:56:00] just peel it off. Well, you gotta be careful. I heard that first thing, you were like, you're gonna say you pee. Pee on it. Pee on it. Uric acid. 

Jake: Um, Silca does make a solution in a bottle that you can spray on there to get, um, sealant off.

Jake: If you let it sit for too long, it will really bind to your bike, especially if it kind of gets hit with some, uh, some sunlight and kind of cures almost on there. Interesting. So, um, they do have some stuff that works. Um, however, full disclosure, I still have not tried it. But I need to, cause I went out and looked at my gravel bike the other day.

Jake: I'm like, yeah, there's sealant on that thing. And I need to get that off. And I went and sprayed some stuff that I have in the garage, some like degreaser or some alcohol and whatnot, tried a couple of different things. And it wasn't taken off. I'm like, it might be time to try that stuff. Give that a try.

Jake: No, I'll report back and let you know. Let us know. 

Matt: Yeah. 

Jake: Cool. Um, do you guys want to jump on any of those other questions real quick? Do you guys have any of your best tips for new, new or newer cyclists? Any? Pro tips out there. We do have a fair amount of people that listen to the podcast that are newer to cycling and they could even be new to, like, bike racing too, so.

Jake: A nice 

Matt: new chamois will change your life. [00:57:00] That's not, that's not untrue. That can be important. Alright, Ian, you got one? And, and change that chamois. Don't sit around in it for too long. 

Lance: Yes, when you finish your ride, don't jump right in the hot tub in your chamois. 

Matt: Like, yeah. Like someone I know. 

Ian: Yeah. No, not off the top of my head.

Ian: Go watch GCN. Almost all of their videos are geared to beginner cyclists. Seems like so. 

Jake: Cool. I could throw this out there to, you know, Basically get connected with the community, talk to some seasoned pros, people that have been around the block for a long time and get the tips from those guys. But, um, seek somebody out like Ian.

Jake: Yes. A little plug for you. Sorry. A little coaching advice so that you can get on track. How about you, Matt? What you got for 

Matt: new cyclists? Yeah. Uh, make sure you always wear your helmet. Don't go like Lance again, not to throw Lance under the bus, but here he is with the bus coming by. We've got to throw him under something.

Matt: Always wear your helmet. It's always safe. Better to be safe than sorry on that front. Um, you do have to take care of your [00:58:00] bike, like we talked about decreasing and, and lubing your, you know, bike, things like that. A lot, I think a lot of new cyclists don't realize that's part of the process. And they might bring their bike to the shop once a year for a tune up.

Matt: Whereas I feel like anyone that has been biking for longer knows, like, you kind of have to take care of your bike. And, um, Take care of your bike and your bike will take care of you. Hopefully. 

Jake: I think my biggest tip that I can give to somebody that's newer to cycling is get yourself a bike fit, or at least go do the homework and the research to figure out what a good fit for you would be.

Jake: There's a lot of good resources online that you can use to get in that ballpark. You'd be amazed at how many bikes come through where you're like, Oh my Lord, how you riding that bike and still in one piece. I mean, that can be super uncomfortable. It can really change your whole like outlook on how you ride.

Jake: Much. You like cycling. We don't want you to not be around and we want you to be able to like, just kind of settle in and be happy as a client. Like you need to get on a bike and feel like you're at home and that's like a natural position for you. And so many people that come through, it's [00:59:00] like, yeah, you should probably like drop the nose of your saddle down a good 10 millimeters, you know, kind of a thing and like, or your, your seats, like, you know, you know, Squatted way down and your nose is high and you're way back trying to reach things and the bars are shifted too far.

Jake: I mean, you see crazy stuff and you always want to try and give people some tips there. So there's some good resources online. The University of YouTube is a good place to go to learn these things. But yeah, 

Matt: buy a, buy a radar or ask for a radar for Christmas. I just thought of one. Let me, let me 

Ian: just say, um, if you are completely new to cycling, uh, learn how to Fix a flat tire and do it and practice it in your garage before you go on the ride, because you'll get stranded down there.

Ian: It's not a question of if, but when. Yep. 100%. 

Jake: Yeah, there's a lot of pro tips there too. You know, get yourself in a bad way. Um, anything else? 

Ian: What was the, what was your third question? 

Jake: Your least love cycling item right now? I already said. My, um, 

Ian: my SRAM, I shouldn't drop that [01:00:00] brand really, but my, my disc brakes on my bike just drive me nuts.

Matt: Are they loud or they just don't stop well? Yes, everything. Loud, okay. No, 

Ian: they stop fine, but there's always some disc brake drama with my bike. 

Matt: Disc brakes are like. And 

Ian: I loved 

Matt: it. Overrated in some ways, where they're great to have the stopping power, it's great in all kinds of bad conditions. But there's, they're finicky.

Matt: They're always singing for some reason. I don't, like, I 

Ian: don't want to go back to Rim Breaks really, but man, those were the days. You just. Didn't even think about it. They were, they kind of worked and the brake pads didn't wear out that quickly. And they were easy to adjust and you need to change your brake pads.

Jake: Oh yes. Yeah. Don't forget to do that. Yeah. When was the last time you measured the thickness of your rotors just to make sure that they're not, um, Beyond the, the where mark of the minimum thickness. Have you measured that? No. Toss some, you might want to toss some digital calipers on there just to find out where you're at.

Jake: Okay. Because [01:01:00] if they get too thin, they're going to get warped a little bit too easy and then you're starting to deal with the rubbing. And then if your brake pads are obviously worn out, you need to address that. The other thing is you're on the 11 speed SRAM red, if I'm not mistaken, and we're Two generations beyond that.

Jake: Now they have made some significant improvements in the braking technology. The latest iteration of the red that came out is utterly fantastic. It's just so, so nice. And the, the braking power that you get out of it now with just like one finger, barely pulling it in is like night and day difference from the last generation.

Jake: So what would you compare that to the older 11 speed? And it's a pretty significant, what would he have 

Matt: to change? Can you just, can you mix and match? Can you just do the, 

Jake: I don't know if the, I'm not sure if the shifters are backward compatible with your generation. At the 11 speed i'd have to double check on that There's a chance that they might be but if that were the case and they were and they would pair up with your derailleurs That could be something for you to consider And you wouldn't even have to go with the red if you wanted to go with the force and save a few bucks That would be an option for you as well.

Ian: I wonder if some of it is um, [01:02:00] the hydraulic tube routing through in the integrated cockpit the way those Um lines. 

Jake: Yeah, if they're getting pinched or kinked in there pinched or something 

Ian: might be it, you know, I have a I have a My rain bike has got Shimano Ultegra disc set up. I've never had an issue with that bike and it's got external.

Ian: You know, external, uh, hydraulic lines. 

Jake: I need to take a peek at it to kind of see the skinny on that. What's going on with your bike. But yeah, once you get it set up, it should be pretty solid. And I, I rode the last generation of the red for gosh, four years and I never had any problems with it at all. Um, it was pretty rock solid.

Jake: Now, Lance, you were riding the same generation as Ian's for quite a few years. Were you having issues with ears rubbing or having, you know, Just problems with it in general, like staying tuned. I always 

Lance: had to like tune it up a little bit. Yeah, tinker with a little bit more, but this latest generation, not so much.

Lance: Gotcha. I don't have to adjust it as much, even flying down there, you know, I didn't have a like plug for my [01:03:00] brake pads when I traveled and the pistons both got pushed out while we were got there, but I was able to push them back while we were building our bikes and it still, it didn't rub it. It like solved it.

Jake: Yeah. Cool. So. Interesting. Um, sorry that you have any issues with that. Sorry. That's your most hated thing. Maybe we can, uh, remedy that for you at some point in time. How about you lunch? You got anything right now? 

Lance: Um, I just spent the last three days writing the Wahoo ACE, the new element ACE. Yeah, I used it.

Lance: I used it exclusively for the whole week. That is, I'm very curious to hear what you think. Kind of funny that, um, I also carried my bolt in my pocket in case there was a problem. Yeah. So I had, I was like double recording even though I didn't upload the second ride. But, um, I shouldn't say hated because Um, I actually love everything about that computer except the size.

Lance: He's a big boy. It is a big boy. Chris Horner looked over and he's like, You got an iPad strapped to your handlebars [01:04:00] over there? I'm like, look at how big this computer is. It's so big. But the, but the, the maps, really easy to use. It was, it, it, all of that stuff worked really well. The wind sensor. Did you look at those pages with that data?

Lance: You know What's funny is is that it keeps the wind speed up on on any like on your workout page and on your map page So you can you get a wind speed page now I don't need a computer to tell me when I'm in a race A headwind, and I don't need a computer to tell me when I'm in a tailwind, but you can actually quantify it right by, by seeing in there, you see that your ground speed, your actual speed that you're riding is like 23 miles an hour, but the wind speed is 17.

Lance: That means there's a tailwind. Mm-hmm . Or if the wind speed is 30, that means there's a headwind. And when it's, when it's a headwind, it's red. And when it's a tailwind, it's green. So it's like light blue if it's neutral in [01:05:00] there. So for, for a brand new writer, you can, you will learn a lot about winds. It will also show the difference when you tuck in behind somebody, it immediately shows the difference in wind speed.

Lance: That you're fortunate. 

Jake: It's that big because you don't want to race with it. I could see that being. pretty valuable in a race just to make sure that you're paying attention to that so that you're not letting like the adrenaline of the race get away from you and not paying attention to the fact like, oh, I just sat on the front of this group for far too long and in a headwind where like I'm tucked in, I'm seeing all this stuff that I'm conserving.

Jake: You start to quantify how much you've conserved and saved for when it really matters. Yeah. I think that there's I think that there's something to that, and I think that, I hope that they, you know, continue to build on that, because I think there's some cool little things. I 

Ian: think that's, it's an important metric, actually.

Ian: Yeah. Because, like, on a, on a flat road, your velocity relative to the air is more important than your velocity. Relative to the ground, right? Yeah, right. In aircraft, they call it TA, uh, true airspeed. And so it's, [01:06:00] it's, yeah. And it, it measures what you're pushing up against really. So 

Jake: do you think we'll see iterations of that trickle down into the next Roman bolt?

Lance: I don't know. I mean, is it only work because that thing is so big, so there's enough area to catch the air speed? I think 

Jake: a big reason why it's the size that it is, is the battery and it needs to be that big to run. Everything that it's got going on in there, I don't think that that wind speed sensor bit is quite as, um, intrusive or like is, I don't think that's what causes it to be as big as what it is, is what I'm trying to say.

Jake: Um, I, I would be curious to see if that did trickle down because I could see people saying, I love that feature. I don't want to race with that computer and it's just too big. Yeah. 

Ian: Now you did have it. You, it took a while to for you to get it connected up to the Yeah. Satellites. Right. And also the first day you remember it randomly shut down a couple hours.

Ian: It shut down on 

Lance: me. Like mid ride. It just like, oh wow. Twice. It just shut down twice and like. It didn't, it, [01:07:00] like, picked the data back up, but then at the end of the ride, it wouldn't upload the ride. It just wouldn't upload, so I had to use my backup. Seriously? Yeah. But that was the first ride. The other two days, it worked fine.

Lance: Interesting. And it took like So, one out of 

Matt: three is 

Lance: not that great, though. It took like an hour. The first day for it to find the satellite an hour. Yes. So maybe it was because of where we were at. Um, but it took a long, I had to go outside and like, wait for quite a while for it to find connect to the satellite.

Jake: I read somewhere that they said something to the effect of, you need to make sure that you update the firmware on this. I could have been thinking, I could be thinking about a different product. Did you check the firmware to make sure that there was all good? Yeah, it was all good. And now you use the other app now too.

Jake: Right. 

Lance: Yeah. Separate apps. So a problem with that is I can't download my, um, my workouts on it yet. There's no link to download my work. You can download Wahoo's workouts onto it, but I can't. It 

Jake: won't push the 

Lance: Strava and you can't 

Jake: download it. No, you could probably export a [01:08:00] GXP file or a fit file and then upload it to Strava manually.

Lance: I don't know, but so, but I have to imagine that you. So, so that was, that's frustrating is that I couldn't like there was a day I was going to just download and have the workout on my computer, but I couldn't download it, but I'm doing workouts from fast cat right now. And it doesn't have a link to that Wahoo app.

Lance: It has a link to the Wahoo element app, but not to the Wahoo app. So it made a difference. Uh, battery life, I rode for, we rode for five and a half hours one day, and I finished the ride and it was at 80%. Oh, really? Yeah. That's pretty good. Do you have it, do you have it 

Matt: like timing 

Lance: out or anything like that?

Lance: I have it at auto. I had them both set 

Matt: at auto. Does that mean it times out every five, like with five seconds? Does it really seem really quick to you? Or seems reasonable? So, I, 

Lance: no, I, I didn't have it time out, I had it on. 

Matt: Okay. 

Lance: So, backlight 

Jake: on. So the backlit back backlight stayed on the whole time. I was under the impression that you have the option for it to, you know, cycle down at whatever time interval, like five or 20 seconds, but then it [01:09:00] would somehow capture like the sunlight to kind of brighten the screen up a little bit.

Lance: There's an auto dimness setting. So depending on sunlight. Okay. So because dark, it will go down too. So visibility of it. Was it good? Yeah. In the, what's that? The visibility? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty good. Um, I still, I mean, When, when there's sunlight behind you, it's hard to see. Gotcha. When your, when your head is casting a shadow on your head unit, it's, it's hard to see.

Lance: And we did have plenty of 

Ian: sunlight though. 

Lance: Yeah. There was a lot of sunlight, so, mm-hmm . So there was some things, there was a lot of things I really liked about it. Um, what would you do, would you train with this one and race with your bowls? Yes. Is that like what you're thinking you might do? Yeah. Yeah. I, I would having it to train with was.

Lance: But I'm not doing it unless I can download my workouts on it. Right. Yeah. 

Matt: Got it. 

Lance: They've 

Matt: got stuff they need 

Lance: to fix. There's stuff to fix. Like the, like I couldn't back out and see the elevation for the whole ride. I couldn't see the elevation profile for the whole ride. Which [01:10:00] I check periodically because I might be on a climb and I'm thinking, Is this the big climb for the day?

Lance: Or is this the first little climb? And then you back out and watch the whole elevation profile and you're like, oh, this is the little climb. The big one's coming, so don't go too hard. And it doesn't do that yet, even though the frickin box shows the picture. 

Matt: Yeah. I think a couple people can talk about that.

Matt: They're like, The box shows something that this thing does, it can't even do. Like, you can't show the whole route, whereas, yeah, anyway. Just for the elevation profile, so. Sounds like half baked, a little, a little half baked. At least, they'll get 

Lance: it all fixed, 

Matt: but it'll take 

Lance: time. The volume control on it is better than the, the other Wahoo computers.

Lance: Like, it's either, like, too loud or just dead silent. And this one, you can, I can mute it enough so it's not, So blaring to other people, 

Jake: did you use the bell? 

Lance: I did use the bell. Cause we wrote on bike paths and we came up on people and I ride with the map up. [01:11:00] I don't ride with my like metrics up and on my map page, I have speed, heart rate.

Lance: Power. So I'm, I'm, that's what I ride with all the time, the map, because I want to see where I'm going, where the turns are coming. So you had to swipe the page. I always had to swipe a page and let it sit for a second before it would ding. 

Matt: Really? It wouldn't do it immediately. They could just do a double button, like a double press on one of the, any of the buttons.

Matt: They could, they could explore 

Lance: that. Yeah, they could explore that. But, but you know, you can swipe by swiping the, yeah, you can swipe the screen over and then if you double tap and it thinks you're swiping again, Then it doesn't ding. So I had to like focus to make it ding and it doesn't do it on all the pages.

Lance: It only does it on a couple of the pages. You have to 

Jake: imagine that they're going to have people that are going to start complaining about these exact things and they're going to go through and read, okay, this is a consistent problem. Let's fix it. Because it's just a firmware thing that they need to, you know, update and we're good to go.

Jake: Is there anything about it that can't be made better? We'll just say [01:12:00] that the firmware is all hardware wise. Is there anything about it other than it's girthy size? 

Lance: No, I don't know. I mean, I like where the buttons are. You can still use the buttons to zoom in and zoom out. You can still use the buttons to change pages.

Lance: Um, 

Jake: brightness of the screen. Good. The clarity of the resolution of the screens. Good. Yes. Better, better. Mapping was, 

Lance: and every map in the, like the whole United States has already downloaded on it. And all of Europe has already downloaded on it. It's nice. Wow. Yeah. 

Jake: Oh, 

Lance: that's cool. So that some of that stuff was, was good.

Lance: Mm-hmm . But like I have the longest computer mount that you can get that is like, and, and, and it still doesn't, puts a skid mark on the corner trying to get it on and off. Seriously. It doesn't, yeah. 

Jake: So you telescope that out, all the, all the way and I 

Lance: telescope it all the way out. Still touch. Then I still have to like.

Lance: Like kind of sometimes you can like 

Matt: push it down and then twist it and then twist it back up I've never done that but 

Lance: yeah, but it's but it's like, uh, yeah, it's not titanium. It's [01:13:00] aluminum. So I don't want to bend it either So but okay, you didn't yeah, you didn't use the one that came with I because I have I have I don't have round handlebars So I can't use the one that came with okay My handlebars are oval shaped, so, so that, that mount doesn't work with it.

Lance: Oh boy. A lot 

Jake: of little things to a lot of little things. But, on the whole, they should be able to resolve a lot of these because they are firmware based. Like, you can go in there and rework the, uh, the software on that. That's, I don't know, it'd be fun to see. Um, anybody else have anything else that they are not liking so much right now?

Jake: No. All good? No. I don't ride enough to have an opinion on this stuff, so. Plus, I get to try all sorts of different things, so I'm not really confined to just one. I just don't like the fact that I can't ride right now, so that's my least loved cycling thing. But I'll be back soon. Um, cool. All right. I think that we need to call that done.

Jake: Hot seat out, yeah? Yeah, that's he done. That was good. Cool. That was hot. That was hot. [01:14:00] All right. Let's do one last thing. Who wants to go first? Oh, Matt Legrand, you go first. Go for it. Oh, 

Matt: I just posted a video talking about a very, we were talking about this before we pressed record or we sure did. And we were talking about how.

Matt: These cycling wheels, carbon fiber cycling wheels, nice wide rim, nice set of wheels. Um, they're normally priced at a thousand bucks. So that's already like half price for carbon cycling for a lot of wheels. Yeah. For a lot of wheels. And then I think there's a discount code there for an extra 10 percent off.

Matt: So that's an extra a hundred bucks. Yeah. So for 900 bucks, really nice pair of carbon wheels from a company called Magene, um, and I've reviewed a lot of Magene stuff and it's, you know, they're solid company making a lot of cycling stuff seem to do. Yeah. I got it. Okay. 

Jake: I got to help you out with a little bit in terms of like setting up the wheels for you.

Jake: And there was a couple of things that were kind of impressive. I mean, I, they, it's got some carbon spokes on it. I'm curious how those hold up, but they're super lightweight and that's kind of cool. They've got these little, um, nipple hole. [01:15:00] Plugs that go inside the actual, you know, the rim of the wheel so that you don't have the rim tape wanting to go down there when you're putting pressure, which is kind of neat.

Jake: I think that's going to help the integrity of the tape stay intact, which is kind of cool. Um, it just thought the price point is really like that. That's good. I mean, I, I want to compare it to something that's relatively close. And the only thing that I can think of off the top of my head, that's going to be a carbon wheel.

Jake: That's from a notable manufacturer. That's going to be. Close to that price range, it's still gonna be 400 bucks more, it's gonna be the Zipp 303 S's, which are pretty solid wheels. Oh, really? Okay. Um, I think your wheel set, if I'm not mistaken, is a bit lighter. So, in comparison, that's a 

Matt: 1, 390 grams for the The, you know, I'm, this is like the five, they have like a 508 and then, so roughly 1, 300 grams for, I have to look at the zip ones.

Matt: I 

Jake: think that that's still lighter than the zip wheels. The one thing that zip has going for it, A, is its name, but yeah, but they, they do a great job of standing behind those. They've got a lifetime warranty on them and it's very simple to take care of that. You just send it back to them and you get a either fixed or brand new wheel sent back to you.

Jake: I mentioned that in the video. [01:16:00] 1530. So it is a bit more 1530. 

Matt: So that was my big thing was like, okay, I haven't tested warranty replacement or customer service. You know, those are things that I, I'm not able to test in that particular video, but if you want to check out that, that review, um, it is online youtube.

Matt: com slash M LaGrande to check out the channel, lots of fun stuff up there and, uh, More stuff to come soon. Cool. Yep. Good video. 

Ian: Gibbo. Uh, last week I mentioned, uh, a Sad, uh, regular Saturday training ride that we're going to be doing here in, uh, Vancouver cameras, Portland area. Uh, unfortunately tomorrow again, is this, this is like week two.

Ian: It's certainly looking crappy, like rain, 95 percent chance of rain and 40 degrees. So unfortunately it looks like that's not going to happen, but we will get these rides together. So 

Jake: it's not called the HDFU ride. Right [01:17:00] now. Okay. 

Ian: It's going to be cool. Hopefully it's going to be a regular thing. And, um, It's gonna be, like I said, Zone 2, so basically a long, steady distance, um, yeah, it'll be fun, but unfortunately, again, tomorrow's not looking like it's gonna happen.

Ian: Gotcha. Too bad. Cool. All right. Yep. 

Lance: Um, I, I, I don't really have anything to share, I don't think, with, uh, my, my daughters who've been living with us for the last two and a half years have finally bought a house. What are they buying? Yay! They're in Washougal. They found a house right in kind of the downtown area of Washougal.

Lance: Oh, that's cool. So I'm glad 

Matt: they're kind of in the area. It's just nice to have family close. 

Lance: Yeah. So they're excited. So we're doing a ton of work, getting the place ready for them to move in. We don't want them to move out, but we realized they're adults and they have to do adult things. Right on.

Lance: Congrats Darby and Julie. Well, downtown 

Matt: Washougal is nice too. It's like a [01:18:00] cool, 

Lance: the right in between. Washougal and Camas. Oh, okay. Yeah, so not far from the Washougal Greenway Trail. Yeah, actually. Yeah, so 

Jake: cool. My one last thing is this coming Sunday We've got our ninth, I think it's the ninth annual Ugly Christmas Sweater Ride that we're doing which is kind of crazy.

Jake: Is it ninth or seventh? I can't remember. Sunday the 15th? Sunday the 15th and we will be rolling out of Dialed Cycling Lab at 9am and we will be riding over to Vancouver to the Compass coffee shop and we kind of do a little regroup there and it's kind of fun just to take over that coffee shop. There's bikes everywhere, line up the door, everybody gets some coffee, we hang around and, and, you know, talk and, you know, shoot the breeze and take a picture, then we will ride back.

Jake: It's just a ton of fun. And it's, it's a blast to see a bunch of cyclists out there wearing their ugliest Christmas sweaters. And a lot of people decorate their bikes with all kinds of stuff and Christmas lights. And people are always honking and like cheering us on when we're riding down the road, just a really good time.

Jake: Um, again, I can't freaking ride [01:19:00] this, but I'm going to be there somehow, some way. If you've got a scooter and you live here locally, can I borrow that? Anyway, um, but I'll be out there to help support that. And what this really does is it kicks off our little, uh, fundraising campaign. It's our bikes for kids campaign where we raise money to buy bikes for less fortunate kids.

Jake: So that'll be, um, you know, I got it. I want to, is this year nine? I can't even remember. I should know these things. My, my brain's too full of all kinds of stuff, but we've been doing this for a lot of years and it's been a lot of fun. So if you're around and you're in the area and you want to come out and ride, it's a total casual, you know, go slow social pace and just a lot of fun and good coffee and good people come out and raise some money and ride bikes.

Jake: Love it. Yeah. You guys going to be there? 

Lance: I will be there. Yeah. 

Jake: I don't 

Ian: have a Christmas sweater. 

Jake (2): I can look and see our 

Matt: Sunday. I know we have like three things on our list on Sunday. It's like, Um, some piano stuff and things like that. So I'm going to look and see, because if you guys are going at 9 a. m.

Matt: Yeah, it might work. Yeah. Yeah. 

Jake: It's, um, yeah, it's 9 a. m. I think the weather, if I'm not mistaken, is actually looking decently good. And I [01:20:00] just confirmed it is the ninth fricking annual. I was like second guessing myself because Mike really hasn't been that many years, but yeah, it's the ninth annual. Yeah.

Jake: It should be fun, but come on out good times. Love it. All right, guys, anything else? That's it. I got stuff to do. We got to get out here. So Thank you everybody for listening. We will be back next week with another one. It isn't until then. Bye for now