Dialed Cycling Podcast
We cover all things cycling, training, fitness, nutrition, racing, and sports tech through our countless years of cycling. In short, we have seen some stuff, so we draw off our experiences as masters cyclists who have been training and racing for the better part of our adult lives. Our typical podcasts include a weekly recap of our training and racing (The Backpedal), recent cycling news (The Leadout), and a new topic for each week. Thanks for checking out the Dialed Cycling Podcast!
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Dialed Podcast 356 - Balancing Cycling with Work and Family
Parenting, Pedaling, and Priorities: Dylan Wiggins (cwapface2 on the YouTubes) joins us again to discuss our cyclist’s guide to finding balance in life when trying to maintain fitness while raising a family, working, and getting through life. Enjoy the podcast!
Fit, Healthy & Happy PodcastWelcome to the Fit, Healthy and Happy Podcast hosted by Josh and Kyle from Colossus...
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Intro: [00:00:00] Shut up, and sit down. The power meter battery's flat! We gotta go back! You are listening to the Dialed Podcast with the not so aerodynamic Matt LeGrand, Sir Ian Gibson, Lance Heppler, and Jake von Duering. Enjoy. Downhill sides Hey Watts, Bonk, Slam, Snap, Off, Tempo, Shammy, Carbac, Endo, Cadence, Hammer, Pondo, Arrow, Threshold, Breakaway, Century, Peloton, and VO2 Max.
On my bicycle Vidi vidi hum, vidi vidi hum, vidi vidi Singing my song On my bicycle Riiide Choose your arch enemy from the following list. Mountain biker, triathlete, clueless cyclist, motorist, pothole, or gluten.[00:01:00]
Own the road. Motorists will be more than happy to share the road with an environmentally conscious and active citizen like yourself. Hey! Get a car!
Jake: Hi and welcome back to the Dialed Podcast. I'm Jake von Duering and I'm here with Lance Friggen Heppler.
Lance: Lance Friggen
Matt: Hepler.
Lance: What's up, mother lovers?
Matt: Legend. The legend is in the house.
What up, mother frigger? How's it going?
Jake: Acrossthe table from him, Mr. Mattv LeGrand
Matt: What's up, ladies and gentlemen of the internet. You guys look fan fricking tastic today.
Jake: Thank you.
Matt: I mean, I mean, often you don't and that, but today is not that day. Today is
Lance: not
Matt: that day. Today is not that day. I'm feeling good.
[00:02:00] So feeling good. Feeling the flow. Yeah, doing the dance.
Jake: Guess what, guys? We got someone coming back to the show for the fourth time? Or is it the fifth time?
Matt: He's one of, uh, Fourth or fifth time? One of our, one of our best guests. Way too many.
Jake: Ha ha. The one and only Dylan Wiggins. What's up, buddy? Beep,
Matt: beep, beep, beep.
Hey, hey. Thanks for having me. How's that, guys? I like how you had your own horn.
Dylan: Ha I bring my own sound effects, thanks. How are you doing? I'm hanging in there. I'm a train wreck, Jake. We don't need to get into that. Oh, we should get into that. That's exactly why we
Lance: brought you. We want to feel better about our lives to hear about your train wreck.
Tell me, if you're in a fight with your wife, tell me all the
Matt: details on air. Does she listen? Uh oh. She'll listen to it all go over smoothly. Love it.
Jake: Hey, well, I'm sure he's got some, some things to tell us, um, and we'll get to that in just a moment here. Maybe in the backpedal we can do a little bit of backpedaling, but, uh, Matt, why don't you kick us off?
Matt: Um, backpedaling, I've been hitting my Zwift 100 day thing. You still on it? Still on it. What are we at? [00:03:00] What was, I mean, Today's the 23rd. Today's the 23rd, that means I haven't biked yet today, so I'm 22 days in. That's something. Atta boy. That's something. Good job. We're getting there. Well done, Matt. We're getting there.
Uh, yeah, it's been fun. And, um, I'm mostly Zwifting. I think I've been outside a couple times, not much. But, Zwifting is, eh, eh.
Yeah.
Matt: It's, I'm committed to doing this for a while. Until I fall off the wagon, so. Yeah, you can do it. I've done it before, it's just been a while, so. Cool. It'll be great.
Jake: Anything else?
That's it. Move on. Dylan, what you been up to? Oh, I hate to say it. It's been a year. I've been Zwifting too. Fill us in. You've been
Dylan: Zwifting? I, uh, in December, I was like, uh, I need to change it up. TrainerRoad was kind of rubbing me the wrong way. And I was like, uh, I'm going all in on Zwift. Let's see if I can get through this winter.
Do you bring your own workouts or you just go ride? A little bit of both. What, what I didn't like about TrainerRoad is [00:04:00] Sweetspot. All Sweetspot. All the time. It used to be that, yeah, here's your training plan, do this. And now they're like, well, do the training plan. Or whatever you want. I don't care, we'll figure it out.
We'll adapt. It's much
Lance: more AI based now than it used to be, right? But if
Dylan: it adapts to what I want, we're gonna go back to sitting on the couch. That's what I want to do. Where's the skip this workout box, right? Where's the hold me to a higher standard option? It's not there. So, I'm still doing, sometimes I'll do like the TrainerRoad workout, but in Zwift, so I can actually have something to look at.
Do
Matt: you export the workout and import it into Zwift?
Dylan: Ever since I got off Strava. Yes. Yeah. No. And sometimes I'll have them both running at the same time. That's what I did when I used to
Lance: do train road was I'd run them both at the same time. Yeah. It's a little complicated, but there, the integration is eminent.
They're about to announce that TrainerRoad workouts will, you can do them on Zwift. Matter of fact, all the principals [00:05:00] at TrainerRoad, they've all been uploading Zwift rides with their workouts. So it's not, it's not live yet, but it is, it is coming. So you can do it. You can export and import, but they're, the new part will be the automated, like, new part.
It'll be automatic. It'll go right to it. If you want to just upload a Zwift. So they've come to some kind of agreement. But. For whatever reason it's not live yet. Nice.
Dylan: Yeah, and sometimes I'll just do like a Zwift free ride. Yeah. Give me a route, give me some hills. Yeah. There's something to, like, there's the end of the hill.
So go hard until then.
Matt: I 100 percent agree with you. I'll be like You know, you sometimes see the elevation thing, and I'm like, I don't know how much farther, but seeing the crest of the hill in the game, you're like, okay, alright, stand up for a minute, alright. Yeah, and then I tried a couple Zwift races.
Woah.
Dylan: Those never go well. Yeah. It's like a cross race, you sprint to start, and then you keep sprinting, and then you die. Finish strong. That sounds about right. [00:06:00] It is what it is. Once you, I mean, for me, once I got. Through the first couple weeks and and workouts and and embrace the suck where it's just like you're not getting on there to feel Fine, you're getting on there to suffer.
Well, I'm I'm
Matt: on there just to hit the hundred number. That's it. Yeah, I don't care
Dylan: That's not nothing.
Matt: It's like a like what's the minimum I can do here to get my hundred hundred day thing 60
Lance: minutes 60 minutes 60
Matt: minutes on the die at it at least double digit wattage Okay. Double digits, double digits.
And no slipping
Dylan: out. No, no pinch, pinch cyclist. I'll step in for you.
Matt: Yeah. Oh, I just have Lance over,
Lance: there's the coffee stop, but you get a three minute break every like 30 minutes. Is this, I don't
Matt: understand that because I was, I was on this yesterday and I was like it's 30, 30 minutes. Check coffee, check for a coffee break, said P and then it was like 31 minutes, still no coffee break.
30 and it went to like 39 minutes and then [00:07:00] I forgot about it And I like if you click on
Lance: the coffee stop button It tells you how much time you have before you can do an a coffee stop All right, you also have to even on the iPad or just on the iPad? Yeah, I think you have to stay
Jake: with a group that you're riding with as well.
So you can't fall off of that I was with no one. Okay, so if you started with like a pacer bot And you, uh, fell off of that. I don't think it's going to let you use that if you're just doing a free ride, right? You have to be in some sort of like a, uh, folks are good, right? And then a lot of people like, Hey, I'm checking at 30 minutes.
It's not working. It's from when the last coffee break ended. So you have to wait until like, you know, 33 minutes is when it started. So it's going to be like an hour and three minutes. This was because I was just
Matt: doing a free ride by myself. No one was around, but it was through there. And I'm just like, What?
I need a break. I'd like for you to keep working for me.
Jake: No, it's just so you can stay with the group. Yeah, it
Lance: records zero wattage when you take a coffee break. You just stay with the you get credit for the time and your average
Matt: speech speed. It's all the time. For me, it's all time. [00:08:00] That's right. Just coffee break, coffee break.
If I could write some software,
Lance: which I could write,
Matt: that could just send
Lance: out data to the Hack the coffee break so you You only have to write it. It would be easier. It would just
Matt: be easier to send over fake ant plus data and just have like the iPad respond to that fake data. Real question. I'm going to win this.
I'm going to win this hundred day. I'm going to win the dialed 100
Jake: real question. How easy would it be for you to do
Matt: that? Oh, I thought about this for a long time. And, um, and I, I remember being on the podcast, like Four years ago when we started, it was like, okay, here's what I would do to cheat the system.
And I was like, I can't really tell anyone about this because someone will go do it. But like, I think the easiest thing to do would be add some variability to the, the Watts that you're outputting. So it's clearly not just sitting on like 100 Watts or whatever, and then have it just kick out that ant data and then pick it up with whatever receiver, you know, like the iPad or whatever.
But these things already like these things exist now and I think there's been a number [00:09:00] of people that have gotten in trouble for it. There's some famous like Zwift racer that used something like this, a system like this to get a level up, level up the Tron and get the Tron bike. He did not use it in the competition supposedly, but he got busted for using it with, for, to get this Tron bike to level up, to level up.
Lance: Yeah, level up. Interesting.
Matt: So. Anyway, I think these things exist now, so I feel comfortable, like, oh, well, here's how I would do it, and I would just generate streaming data and plus data.
Dylan: Even if you do do that, and, you know, meet your hundred days or whatever, like, the spring's gonna come around, you're gonna go biking outside, and you're gonna be like, why am I still slow?
Oh, right, because my avatar is really good at bikes. Either way, there's a good chance,
Matt: whether I'm riding for real or not riding for real, there's a good chance I'm gonna be riding slow in the spring when I go outside. The other thing I thought would be really neat would be, like, Take like have a man in the middle where it's like a receivers receiving n plus data and let's just say like You know, just [00:10:00] takes that number that's coming out each time and just doubles it so there'd be no real way like all the other metrics would be matching right like so it's like You know item ID like what device is sending all this information all that stuff would be exact the same The only thing that would be doing is like parsing through that, you know wattage information Just look for the watts double that number and move on So then like if you're riding in a race or whatever, you could still slow down You can still spin spin it up and sprint or whatever.
You would just get You could do 1. 5 or whatever you wanted to do, just amp yourself up. Just give
Dylan: yourself a knob to turn. Yeah, exactly, right? I'm turning the screws here.
Matt: I mean, writing that code does not sound that hard. Maybe not if you're Matt LeGrand.
Dylan: I'll tell you, when I started racing at PIR, this is 2016, 2017.
I bought the, I thought this would be a funny idea. I bought the hardware. It's not an Arduino, but it's similar. And it would just snoop ant data and look for power meters, and then rebroadcast with a random number. [00:11:00] Just to mess up everyone in the pack. Are you kidding? Yeah. Because Ant Data, like the spec is, it's just gonna, you know, uh, broadcast a page in plain text once a second.
Matt: Ant Plus is like super open. We'll connect to anything, give me however many things you want, whatever. It's like super open protocol.
Dylan: Yeah. So I wasn't sure if, you know, your Garmin computer would only listen once a second. Like if you send it now three times a second. Just blitz it with pages with random data.
Like what's it actually going to log. And I thought that would be funny that we're a whole pack has their power data messed up, except for me. But then once it got complicated, I was like, uh, this I'm out. Is this a felony now? Yeah.
Matt: Maybe. All my best ideas end with that. Wait. Am I about to do a felony? Is this a felony?
Dang it. Again. Scratch that one off the list. I don't have
Jake: the mustache to pull this off.
Matt: I just don't have the mustache.
Jake: I don't think that would be a felony, but if you could figure out a way to tap into the eTap, start making [00:12:00] some shifts.
Matt: Oh. Oh. There
Dylan: you go. Hey guys. Ready to sprint? One
Matt: of the things that's interesting is like a lot of these companies, we always kind of like gloss over it, but they're like, Secure Bluetooth or, you know, secure and whatever it is.
Like they'll have like this new little, it's like PR blip or whatever, about how this is a secure connection or whatever. And so some people are thinking about this stuff.
Dylan: Well, it's, it's
Matt: a rule in Europe. Now you have to have a secure, secure connection. They have the new heart rate monitors out. And this is not super relevant to our news of the day, but like, and plus it's basically saying like, yeah, we're no longer investing in this protocol.
It's basically dead. It'll continue to exist as it is, but there's no more development on the M plus protocol. So, by all intensive purposes, that whole protocol is basically dead going forward. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. It's super interesting. Everything will be Bluetooth like it is. Which is kind of how it's been for the past couple of years, but yeah, like [00:13:00] going forward is officially like, yeah, it's, it's a goner.
Jake: Seriously though. Kill button. Underground. When you hit this button and everybody's, it goes from to small ring in the index. It's like, there's like, go from like, getting ready to sprint to like 150 Europeans and like, Hey, what's going on? Do you just take off? You're like, see you later, suckers.
Matt: Super funny.
We got to figure this out. What just
Lance: happened?
Matt: I'm sure there's a riot. I feel like there's a way to do it. We could do that. I'm sure. Same thing, man in the middle attack with, you gotta like, listen to, listen to it before so you can pick up on like how it's signaling across to shift. Okay, so at
Dylan: the start of the race everyone has to mysteriously
Matt: repair their devices.
If everyone could shift from their big ring to their small ring and then back into their big ring at the count of three. At the count of three please. Yes.
Jake: Hilarious. Alright. What else you got there Dylan? More backbone. That was a backbone. What were we talking about? We kind of hijacked you there a little bit.
That's what
Matt: I love [00:14:00] about having you on the podcast, because the spirals spiraling out of control are fantastic.
Dylan: You want to get worse? Uh, meniscus, flap tear, injury, something. A little bucket handle? Not a bucket. It's like a little tiny guy. Uh, I was playing futsal. Everything was going fine. I got over all my pulled calf muscles, which kept coming back.
Yeah, and my, my, uh, shoulder impingement is still there. Don't worry. It still hurts, but Warm up was fine. Hopping from leg to leg, moving around, kicking balls. And then I just stopped to talk to a guy and the next step I took with my left leg, it was like, it was like a toothache in the center of the knee.
Just like, oh, I can't put weight on that. Left knee. Yeah. I'm just like, what, what is this? Like, why can't, why can't I walk normally now? Oh no. So I went and sat down and rested and then, you know, I'm a dumbass, so I kept playing the game. As soon as I, like the first minute, I was like, I don't think I can put weight on this leg.
And I kind of forced myself through it and like, you know, it'll bear weight. It's just like, did that hurt? Was that okay? I don't [00:15:00] know. Geez. Yeah. So then I saw PT is like, yeah, I think you got a little something in there. So I'm, you know, I'm doing the time honored tradition of you could prescribe the exercises and do this every day.
And then I don't do them and I say, why is it so hard? Yeah. PT,
Lance: PT is, is voodoo. It doesn't actually work because nobody does the exercise.
Dylan: At this point, I think he's just messing with me. He's like, yeah, stand on your head, drink three beers to see if I'll do it. Does it, um,
Matt: does it hurt when you're biking?
Dylan: Exactly what I saying. No, biking is great. Okay. I
Matt: can, I and I, I'm even doing like, like I was doing races and so no. Walking around. You can just bike everywhere. You can bike into work. Unicycle. You stop that soccer crap. Soccer . Yeah. That, that might actually, I'm not ready to admit that You're not ready to,
Dylan: no.
Your soccer friends are, uh, you're not gonna like you. Yeah. But every morning when I walk down the stairs and it still hurts. Mm. Not today. Okay. Not going back. Go. Yeah. [00:16:00] So I don't know. So now I'm a train wreck. Physically and mentally. Thanks Jake for bringing that up. Excellent. Anything else? No, the usual, I don't know.
Making content. Making content once a year. Whether anyone needs it or not.
Lance: Dylan just put out a YouTube video this last week. It was so good. It's kind of brilliant. You need to go to his YouTube page Quapface2 Spell that for the listeners. C W A P F A C C E exactly like it sounds. Yeah. Quap face face too.
Outro: Yeah.
Lance: And there's a little video about, uh, the thick crit. Daddy's, uh, taken over the gym
Jake: and it's, it's really, how did I miss this? I usually see all of this.
Matt: You need to watch this. Okay. It is really good. Like pause. What, what we're doing, watch this video. It's unbelievable. It's like, I'm, I don't want to like, your documentary was better [00:17:00] because there was more time and effort put into that.
I know, but like, this was really, really good as well. Those two things are worth like checking out for sure on your channel if people are going there And they want to and if they enjoy life if you're one of those people that enjoy life Do you like to smile? Do you like to laugh? If you
Dylan: hate fun, don't don't go watch it.
Don't go watch it
Matt: if
Dylan: you
Matt: hate fun. It's one of those things where I'm like looking at that. I'm like why his channel should have like a million subscribers It's so good. It's good. Well, thank you.
Dylan: And I wish I could say, you know, with a shorter video, it's like two and a half minutes. Yeah, that's good. And it's really stupid.
I wish I could say it took me less time and effort. Right. That's what happens. But maybe it took more this time. It took a long time. Yeah. So Jason, sorry, the premise is that we go invade Endurance PDX. Jason Whittington graciously offered to host us He's like, hey, you guys want to come film a video? I got new gym equipment, new building That's even better!
Because we're so, you know, quote, organized, it took us three months or four months [00:18:00] to make it happen To get it together And then we're there for like three and a half hours and I'm not pushing stop on the video because, you know, we have to sync up audio and video and like, it's so much easier if you just do it once.
So I have three plus hours of video to go through to find out just the good bits because there's so many. There's so much stuff that cannot be posted online.
Lance: There was stuff that was right on the border too, but it was still so good. But then I
Dylan: discovered the mosaic filter you can put over stuff. It's like, ah, now we're going to get
Matt: The mosaic filter.
Yes. There's only one clip of that, right? But you're just like, oh man. But there should have
Dylan: been six or seven. The goal, I mean, you know, everyone has their goals with their project. My goal is that you can pause it at any frame. And look at it and go, what the fuck? Yes.
Lance: What, what is happening there?
Matt: I, I, I did watch it more than once.
And if you do that, if you watch the video, cause it's not very long, but like if you watch the video, you're going to be like in stitches laughing. Watch it again, because then [00:19:00] you're gonna be like, I didn't catch that the first time, and I didn't catch that the first time. Cause there is so many funny things.
I bet you I could watch it a third time. I haven't watched it a third time, but I bet I could, and I'd still pick up on stuff. There's,
Lance: there's
Matt: lots
Lance: of pseudo lifting. There's lots of Rainier beer drinking. And there's lots of video of uh, Jason just Shaking his head. Like why the hell did I invite you people?
Dylan: Yeah. I mean, the idea is that we're, you know, the, the dumbest cycling team. We're all the toxic masculinity, big energy. We forgot how to ride bikes. Cause we're too busy in the gym. And you know, take it too far. Like we're just going to drink beer during our workouts and smoke cigars. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it's real bad.
And what I liked, you know, some of the lifts, if you look Tankus is, is he's got the straps on his wrist to do the deadlift. But he's just pulling on the straps. He's not pulling the bar. No, no, no, I saw this. I did notice that. The straps are holding the bar. Don't do anything we do in the video.
Matt: It's terrible.
Not sure if that's perfect gym form. [00:20:00]
Lance: You know the video is good when the discussion about the video is longer than the actual video itself. It just needs, it just section. So here's my critique in 12 parts. We should have you like
Matt: dissect, like we should have the video in front of us and you should be dissecting it and like, yes, this is stupid.
And let me tell you what, and absolutely yes, oh no, no, no, that's not proper workout form. No,
Dylan: no, the real heartache for me is that. You know, we put together a draft. Okay. Some things need to change. And then all the time syncing up the music and making that right. And then when we're about to release it and everyone's happy with it, like, Oh, are we, are we going live with this?
I'm like, Oh wait, you know, kids are going to see this. Are we saying smoking is cool? I hope you cut out all
Matt: the
Dylan: smoking. No, we doubled down on it. All the not safe for kids got doubled down on. I think we're even like doing sprints on a wahoo bike while smoking. I think, I think that's, yeah, or, you know, [00:21:00] chugging reindeers while you're doing curls.
Like, so I hope the, the satire is clear on ourselves, but man. It's, it's clear.
Matt: It's clearly satirical. The impressionable you. This, like, one of the first scenes is him doing, um, like, bent over rows. Bent over back, you know, rows for the back with a half a case of Rainier. Yeah. That's
Lance: David Rattan. That guy's freaking hilarious.
He's so good. All
Dylan: of it was good. So good. And that's the challenge, is that when you have three hours of footage, an hour and a half of that is David being extremely funny. Like, I can't make an hour and a half long video. It's all, it's all David. Sure you can. Right. Yeah, there'll be a director's cut coming out somewhere.
Jake: I just checked my YouTube notifications and sure enough, there it is. It was released yesterday? Yeah,
Dylan: we did a big premiere and everything. Where were you?
Lance: I was there. I was at it.
Dylan: I went to say it to the public and you can do like a, you know, scheduled premiere. It's like, oh, we're doing this at 5pm, build the hype.
[00:22:00] And still at the premiere it was just like the four of us or five of us. Hey, that's good. My premieres don't
Matt: do well. I quit, I quit doing them because I was like, Oh, this is, this is sad. It's just more stress, right? Anticipation. You're just like, Oh no, there's no one here. Oh well.
Jake: Does it show you how many people are there ready to watch?
Do the other people that are there ready to watch know how many other people are there ready to watch? Or is it just you that sees that? Yeah, I think
Dylan: it's like, shows live who's there. So. Maybe if it's under a certain number, they don't show me. If it was under, yeah. They should, they should hide it. But I like that there's a live chat, so you can all do some, you know.
Post your stupid gifs in there.
Jake: I love it.
Dylan: Cool.
Matt: Alright, that's it. No more. No more. Wow. Sounds good. Lance romance. Dr. Lance Hepler. Lance. Romance. Lance.
Intro: He's doing the dance.
Lance: International man of mystery. Podcast. They don't get to see this. They don't get to see. They don't get
Matt: to see me dancing. Everybody, look
Dylan: at his face right now.
Oh my
Matt: gosh guys. He's taking his pants off. He's taking [00:23:00] his pants off to do theatre
Dylan: of the mind. Theatre
Matt: of the mind. Lance. Lance Romance. Okay.
Lance: Alright, it is Dr. Lance Hepler Lance Romance, the international man of mystery. What did I do this last week? I rode Zwift. That's all I've done. Yes! Oh no! No, you, you did
Matt: a two
Lance: bridge loop.
Yeah, was that, but that, was that part of our last backpedal? No. Was it after? After. I can't keep track of it all. Okay, I did one ride outside and then twice on Zwift, so I'm just sticking with my plan and the plan is working and I'm doing the work and whatever. So, we're rolling with it. Okay. I've got What's that?
Shortest
Matt: Shortest backpedal ever from Lance. Shortest
Lance: backpedal. I've got a big week coming up. I'm hoping to have like a 30 hour week next week. Tenerife? And so, I'm going to Tenerife. I leave tomorrow. Woah! Yes. That's a long trip.
Matt: So, is Ian coming from England? Ian's
Lance: going from England. Okay. And, uh, me and Scrap are leaving tomorrow.
Nice. So, yeah. Okay. So how long are you there for? We're there [00:24:00] for seven days. Joke's on you. Look, the weather's perfect here. I know, it's even getting warmer next week. And there's no rain in the forecast for the next 10 days here. Oh, wow. So joke is on me.
Jake: Yeah, when you get back, it's going to be beautiful.
Yeah. I think that we've got snow in the forecast for the week that you return. Oh, fantastic.
Lance: Even better. So. Yeah, so I'm excited. Yeah, but uh, yeah, I've really got nothing to report other than I'm still posting daily vlog videos and some are doing good and some of them are trash. What do you want to hear?
Dylan: I want to, okay, this is, this is top of mind for me. How do you drive In the van, I don't know, 12 hours to a race, and then ride that same day. How do your knees not explode? How can you do that? How is that possible?
Lance: Oh, that's a, that's a pretty good question. Collagen injection while you're driving? That's right.
I'm loaded up on steroids and collagen the whole way down. Yes, do it, do it. Right in there. We got him. Um, I usually, [00:25:00] I'm cautious about taking breaks when I drive. And the van is pretty comfortable to drive. I'm not like, I'm Like laid out, like in my other car, I'm, I'm, I'm, you're kind of upright. And so you can stretch a little bit while I'm driving that car, which you got one foot out the window, other foot up on the something,
Matt: sleep in the wheel again, but,
Lance: uh, yeah, and I generally stop while I'm driving somewhere to get out and ride just a little bit or a little something, or we take, when I, when I'm driving the van, I try to do.
Eight hours of driving, eight hours of sleep, and eight hours of something else. Unless there's a schedule to be on. That eight hours of something else is eating and biking and bathroom breaks. And wait, there's a cool rockhounding spot. And whoa, I want to see the international car forest. And, you know, stuff like that.
It's, so that's kind of how I try to do it. But unless there's a deadline, then I'll drive for 13 hours straight. And then
Dylan: what? Then [00:26:00] you're just sore when you get out? Yeah, I'm
Lance: just stiff
Dylan: and sore and curl up in a little ball and yeah. I've tried doing PIR after, you know, driving from Seattle. And that's just, you know, three and a half hours and my knees can't take it.
Just trash. Yeah, that's a me problem. How long does it take you to edit a video? An upload, is that like an hour a day?
Lance: I'm,
Dylan: I'm trying to keep
Lance: it to an hour. That's why the editing That explains a lot. That's why the editing is trash. Is that why they're so crappy? That's why the editing is trash. You went one direction.
So, I went That's a choice. You got We go You two went a different direction. We go a totally different direction. Listen, if there's one thing I've learned, is the time suck from you two Oh my gosh. From editing, how much Actually, it's all three of you. There is a giant time suck with editing. And so, I went I went cheap and dirty with my edits.
Smart. So that's what I'm kind of trying to
Matt: do. Maybe we could talk about color correction on some of your Dunno. What you're talking about means
Lance: after effects
Matt: open .
Lance: I don't, you still speak in Greek. [00:27:00] Don't understand a word you're saying.
Dylan: So, Jake, are we gonna, are we gonna tell him that this is the intervention?
intervention,
Lance: this is the YouTube editing intervention Right now.
Matt: Don't do what we've done. That's the intervention Please. Whatever you do,
Jake: there's probably some AI stuff out there that could help them make it a little bit more polished looking, but still not to the level that you guys do, but just a thought.
Lance: I am not trying to do what you, what all three of you do is, is freaking amazing with your editing. You mean go overboard, forward? No, let him continue. Just that it looks polished, and it looks right, and the, and the transitions are good, and it, it just, it always looks good, and, and there's all this, like, there's all this, like, unique stuff that you've personally built that you pop in.
Yeah, I'm not doing any of that crap. I'm like, oh, here's a good section on this video. Oh, here's a good section. Oh, maybe I should add a little bit of music Oh, that's way too much. I yeah, so I don't [00:28:00] know what he's smart.
Jake: Stay smart. Keep you an hour I'm trying to keep
Lance: it to an
Jake: hour in your defense lines So vlogging is making a big comeback right now and people are looking for that more raw unedited look So it feels a little bit more genuine and authentic that just needs to have a good, you know, storyline and pacing.
It needs to have a
Lance: storyline and engagement. That's the hardest thing for me is I, you know, I did a boring hour and a half Zwift ride this morning. What's the storyline there? So Tell a story. I'm, I'm telling a story about nutrition, which maybe will be funny. There you go.
Matt: Instead of doing your just normal hour filming yourself Zwifting.
Get naked and get on the train. Perfect.
Intro: Everybody wants to see that.
Dylan: Is there no middle ground?
Jake: Dylan would be happy
Dylan: to edit the, uh, mosaic thing
Lance: over there. Where do you find the mosaic thing? Cause like that can become very, make him do it for
Jake: you. And he's got a pixel peep and he's got to do it frame by frame.
Right.
Lance: Sending you my naked video. You'll be, you'll be in full
Jake: kit,
Dylan: but it'll be black bars across. Perfect. [00:29:00] Let your mind wander.
Matt: Love it. Yeah, I can see this channel getting big.
Dylan: Well, and I would never say this to Lance's face, but those videos are fun to watch. They're short, they're consumable. I like watching multiple, like getting caught up while I'm on the trader.
They're not super long, which is nice. They're not like, doing like 5 to 10 minutes. Yeah, you're already doing the cool stuff like when you find the rocks. It's like, if you add another 20 seconds about like, this is why I think this rock is cool and check out You know, an update two weeks later I polished it up or whatever, check it out.
Like, ah, I should
Matt: do that. I'm, I'm into that. I know. I kinda like the rock counting stuff too. I like to learn about new stuff. So I wanna
Dylan: know more about your arcade machines in your basement. Those are pretty sweet. I played some asteroid deluxe this morning.
Lance: Ooh, did
Dylan: you film it?
Lance: I did film it. Okay,
Matt: let's, here we go.
I built a piece of it. So Good. Yeah, you can tighten up that zw zw section of your thing and then talk about some other stuff. Yeah.
Dylan: Does it keep you accountable? If you're like, man, I should bail on today's workout, but then I have to make a video about [00:30:00] Yes.
Lance: Hmm. Yeah, it does. And like, okay, let, let's ride somewhere.
That's a little interesting that I know I could tell some kind of story about this unless it's 28 degrees like it was this morning, and I'm like, I'm just getting on the trainer. But it, it'll, it'll change the routes that I do too, because. I, I, maybe there's somewhere a little bit interesting that I could actually ride to.
So yeah, let's
Dylan: talk
Lance: about your
Dylan: Tucson video. Which one, sorry, am I hijacking your bike at? I don't care. I don't care. Mount lemon. Oh, that was, so I, I lived there for a year. You lived in Tucson and I thought driving up and down Mount Lemon was insane and took forever. So I can't, and I wasn't into biking at all back then, so it looks like such a fun climb.
Lance: It's a great climb! I actually did not catch good video, I believe, of the climb and descent, but. I, your descent, if you see Lance's video, the descent is great,
Dylan: because it's sped up, you can tell how smooth it is, and how flowy, and how [00:31:00] long it is. It looks like a great
Lance: descent. It is a fun descent. It's pretty safe Because it's not like really tight corners or tight switchbacks so you can just Fly at 35 miles an hour.
I didn't see much traffic in your video, but maybe that depends on
Matt: time of day I don't know.
Lance: It was a it was a thursday. Yeah in the morning. So there probably wasn't that much
Matt: traffic I have no idea.
Lance: Yeah, when you're doing
Dylan: that
Lance: shootout, is there traffic there
Dylan: too?
Lance: There's no there's literally almost no traffic on a shootout Yeah, once you get out of town I saw like four cars on the main road that were that the shootout is on There's very little traffic.
It doesn't really the road you're on doesn't really have a Destination like the the city that's midpoint Sayurita. I think is it's called It's not really the straight way to get to Sayurita. You could take The interstate, and so nobody's on this other little country road that has beautiful pavement. So, [00:32:00] that's why the shootout works.
Or what, the buttery smooth gravel,
Dylan: also with no cars? Is that right? Yes, that's right, there's also no cars. And don't they have like a hundred miles of dedicated bike path around Tucson? Yeah, there is.
Lance: The loop path around Tucson is about 60 miles, and it's all dedicated bike path.
Dylan: Yeah.
Lance: So
Dylan: it's all 72 degrees and sunny all winter
Lance: long.
Dylan: It's
Lance: not
Dylan: quite that warm, but what are we doing? And
Matt: I'm going back
Lance: as soon as I
Matt: get back from, yeah. From the islands. Are you going back to Mesa? Are you going back
Lance: to Tucson? Are you gonna do both? I think I'm going to Mesa first because I might do the Valley of the Sun stage race, the road stage race And then then there's a Tucson bicycle classic the next weekend Which is also a three day road stage race So I might go do those.
Are you bringing wife and dog on this trip? Wife and dog are coming. All right. Yep That's good.
Dylan: When you're in Tenerife, are we going to get your video updates? Do they have internet [00:33:00] over there? Um, the
Lance: apartment we're staying in has internet, so I'm hoping that I can put something out every day. I'm still going to try to put something out every day,
Matt: but Are you going to put out flight, like Today was just flying to Tenerife.
Yeah, that's tomorrow. Maybe. I don't know. We'll find out. Yeah. Stay tuned. Stay tuned. Subscribe and wait. Subscribe, subscribe, turn the notifications on to find out if he posts a video tomorrow. Okay. Okay. Jake, you got any backpedaling? Throw it on Zwift. Pretty much it, yeah.
Lance: We all just wrote on Swift. I mean, we
Jake: just recorded what?
Two days, three days, three days ago, so not too much. But I did ride last night and it felt pretty damn good considering the fact that I had about four hours and 50 minutes of sleep the night before, which was not ideal by any means at all. But, and I was exhausted. I'm like, nope, I gotta go do this. Got on the trainer and five minutes later, I'm like, I feel like a million bucks right now, everything felt great.
So I just kind of like.
Matt: Locked it in win. I'm kind of cranky that Jake feels good because then it's like damn it. [00:34:00] We can't ride together You've already missed your window. Yeah, we can always ride together Matt. All right, just the two of us. Let's go for a bike ride It'll be a chill bike ride for you. Yeah,
Jake: so yeah, there's not much else to report for me.
So let's uh
Lance: Champ is here all your terrible cycling news. World's worst, world's worst Cycling or, or top five or top five. I'm one of those two. Okay. What has happened in the last few days since we did this, the tour down under for the men has started. Uh, so far, I don't hardly recognize a name in this race.
The race yesterday
Jake: though, was pretty interesting. Who's the writer? Gosh, I forget his name. Uh, from Bora Hansgrove. Like he, like halfway through the race, he went down pretty hard.
Lance: Sam Welsford is he's on Bora Hansgrove. Is he? Maybe. Yes, he is. So anyway, he
Jake: goes down, his kit's all torn up. He's a little bloody and all that stuff.
His butt is
Lance: hanging out. And
Jake: you know, the race is going off, right? And he still gets [00:35:00] back on and he somehow manages to pull himself back up to the peloton and won
Lance: the race. He had a perfect lead out from two of his teammates, um, and just out sprinted everybody else. He kind of won handily. So he won two days in a row.
He won day one and he won day two. Day three has already happened. Uh, he did not win day three. There was a little bit of climbing in, in today's stage. So he is out of the leader's Jersey, but I think today was won by, uh, Javier Romo. Yeah. Romo. So first time ever tour world tour win. And, um, so far it hasn't been too exciting other than seeing Wellsford win with his butt hanging out because half his kit was missing.
Living the dream. There it is. It all comes back to nudity. I would nudity. A lot of nudity on this podcast. Coincidence? No coincidence. Uh, other than that, I have nothing else to report. Champ out. [00:36:00]
Jake: When is the first, um, Monument Race? I don't know. No idea? No. Why would he know that? It's gotta be somewhat soon.
It's gotta be, probably what, about a month
Dylan: away or so? Yeah, while you're looking, someone tell me, is the tour worth watching? Sometimes there's snoozers, right? Tour down under? Tour down under. Um, it's
Lance: worth watching the highlight videos. They do show
Jake: They generally don't send very many A Squad guys down there, right?
They
Lance: do show like groups of kangaroos running through vineyards and running into each other. I saw that today, so. I'd watch that.
Jake: Anything, Matt? You looking it up? Lance, you looking it up?
Lance: I'm trying to find it. Uh, the first one. Oh, come on. No, I don't want to. Do you have that
Dylan: technical difficulties?
Lance: Hold music?
You gotta work on that. What is happening here? Uh, on loop. Hit Nusenbolt, whatever. Saturday, March 1st is the first one. Okay, so they're not in February. So, they don't start till March. 1st, yeah. Uh, Kern, Brussels, Kern, Strade Bianche is March 8th. So it's all, it's all starts in [00:37:00] March.
Jake: Cool. Yep. Sweet. All right.
Thank you champ. Matt, anything in the triathlon world? No. Nothing I
Matt: know of. We haven't talked about the triathlon stuff. I know. I haven't been following the triathlon news stuff super closely, but this is kind of a dead time of year for triathlon. Okay. Picks up, picks up in the spring and summer for sure.
Jake: Gotcha. Cool. Alright, let's keep moving on. Patreon time. Lance has got the little jar. He's gonna pull that out. While he's doing that, um, we have a new Patreon. Guys, I'll say, uh, Hi to Nate Scott. He's our latest. Nate Scott! So dreamy. I love that
Lance: guy.
Jake: He's a monster, dude. Dad Watts right
Lance: there. He hurt himself, like, midway through the cross season last year.
And had to kind of bow out. But yeah. Built. He built a cyclocross course in his yard.
Jake: Yep.
Dylan: That's how he hurt himself I heard he's a fabulous drummer too. So nate scott. Yes, monahan.
Jake: Yeah. Anyway, we got uh, let's go [00:38:00] patreon Picking out somebody's name out of the bin there and they're gonna get to pick some cool things out of the read it the cash Not the cash.
We don't have any cash for them. Uh, the patreon bin We've got a bunch of cool stuff in there. So who do you got? Misty Wick. Oh, Misty Wick.
Intro: Misty. Thank you, Misty.
Jake: Misty, you know where to get that from. So, uh, yeah, congratulations. Thank you for supporting the podcast and we greatly appreciate it. Um, if you want to become a patron, I'm going to turn that music off so people could actually hear me talking.
If you want to become a patron yourself, you can go to daubpodcast. com. And there's a little link there that says. Patreon, you can click on that and click a Patreon that you want to use or support us with. And that would be fantastic. It's just a couple bucks. If you want to get a little bit more friendly or a little bit more generous with your money, there's other options there too.
However, there is another way that you can support the podcast, um, through our new platform that we use, uh, Buzzsprout, which has been pretty cool. They've actually got a feature on there that you can use too. Um, support us as well. But anyway, we do appreciate everybody. It's a pretty awesome that [00:39:00] you guys are still listening and helping us out.
And yeah, thank you. And a big thank you again to, uh, to Nate Scott for doing that. Much appreciated. Thanks Nate. Ready to move on again.
Lance: Yes, so much. I did it with nothing but my own blood, sweat, and tears,
EPO Chain Mail: and extra blood. People don't. Yeah, you know, this is a sport with literally hundreds of dollars on the line and dozens of fans that stakes are medium.
Come on. How do you beat a man on drugs if you're not on drugs? Wait, did you just admit to being on drugs? The EPO chain mail. Send us a text with your questions. Forward this podcast to 15 people. And you'll lose 10 pounds overnight. Without even trying.
Jake: You've got mail. Hey, we've got mail, guys. Jake, did you put that together?
That was really good. I did. Thank you. I'll shorten it up a little bit sometime in the next couple of years. So anyway, um, our EPO chain [00:40:00] mail has got a few more, um, texts that we received from some folks. And it's actually going to be our topic for the week as well. It's kind of ironic that two of the texts that came in from two different people in two different States were kind of in line with each other in terms of what they were asking us.
Um, but before we get to those, we do have somebody from Alaska that was saying. Hello gentlemen, this is ai. I wanted to say that I approve and endorse episode 3 55 of your podcast. Keep up the great work. I look forward to more. Alright, our last
Matt: podcast we talked about ai and Jake and I are super bullish on ai.
I'm glad that you're not, 'cause we need. Like differing opinions,
Jake: right? I had to expand that and say, I look forward to replacing you in all in the near future. So we won't have
Lance: to show up anymore. Jake can just say, for sure, do a podcast, use our voices. Love it. Yeah.
Jake: Okay. So the next two, um, the first one comes to us from a listener in Colorado Springs.
Kind of cool. Um, would you mind speaking to suggestions for maintaining, um, [00:41:00] some sort of fitness, uh, for a first time parent with a newborn? So, yeah, we all have kids. How many, how many kids do we have between all of us? I have three.
Matt: Two.
Lance: Three. Three. Three. Okay.
Matt: Matt has three. It's eleven between the four of us.
And you have
Lance: two, Dylan. That I know of. That's a good point.
Jake: Good point. So we got 11 known. 11 known children. So we've gone through this 11 times, so we maybe hopefully have a couple little tips or suggestions for that person, but before we get into this, the other person writes and says All four of you are busy husbands and fathers as well as successful athletes.
I'm successful. I've successful. Can you all share any wisdom, uh, gleaned over the years on balancing family life with training and racing? And they signed off dead Watts and Watts, and they're from Albuquerque, Oregon. Oh, there's an Albuquerque in Oregon. [00:42:00] What is that? I asked Lance that too, and he's like, I didn't know there was such a know all of these things.
Anyway, those are the two questions. So that really kind of boils down into like, you know, what did you guys do during that process of like, you know, having kids and, and training and trying to stay on top of all of that and then manage it as they got older and busier. And yeah. So a couple of things,
Matt: this is just like the general.
How to balance family life and training. I think it's interesting that there's kind of two different questions with a little subtle difference there. One being like newborn, which I will say is a different scenario than like the rest of life with family and kids. Right. Because newborn is like. You're in the thick of war, your head is down and you're right in the thick of dirty diapers and this is the whole, like, sleep when you can, showers are totally, like, Optional.
Totally optional or non existent. And, yeah, and it's okay to let your training slide in that situation. Um, [00:43:00] whereas longer term, my suggestion is to find a balance and make a, you don't have to make a deal with your partner, but like one of the things that's nice is both my wife and I really, um, we see our exercise time as like a, like a, like a needed almost like therapy time.
Right. Where it's like, this is your chance to be away in my wife is better and nicer when she's had a run.
Outro: Yes.
Matt: Uh, and same for me. Right. Right. And so. We encourage each other to do that and it's, it's not, um, I don't, I like to think that I don't think there's too much like jealousy, like, oh, she's out running and I'm taking care of the kids or whatever it's like, go, like, I got this, you go take care of, like, go get a run in, like, go sneak it in.
And I, yeah, I mentioned running because running is faster than cycling, but, but yeah, I mean, you can try to, I think an hour is a sweet spot for like getting a, getting a bike ride in and getting something done. I would say you might not be able to get, you know, six hour rides in, [00:44:00] um, those are a little trickier, uh, especially if you have a newborn, but, um, but yeah, I mean, set realistic goals.
Anyone else? I
Dylan: mean, obviously, step one is invent a time machine. Yes. Go back about 10 or 11 months and make some different choices. Yeah. Think about your cycling
Matt: career. You're like, if it could just go back and, never mind. I'm not gonna even say. I mean that masters
Dylan: 3 4 field. That's serious competition.
Right. Yeah, I, like he said with, with newborns, uh, all bets are off. You're trying to keep your head above water. So, I don't know, re, Readjust your expectations for the year. Oh, yeah. Mm hmm. What does success mean for a successful year of? Cycling, uh, is it winning races? Is it traveling to a stage race or is it getting to ride once a week with buddies?
Outro: Yeah.
Dylan: Yeah.
Matt: Recalibrate, recalibrate. And also I do think that if you have something big and you put it on the calendar and your family, like one of the things that I would do [00:45:00] with Ironman races, it would be like. Get the family permission. Like, hey, I'm thinking about doing this Iron Man. I haven't signed up yet or anything like this.
This is what the date would be for this thing. Like, my wife knows, like, oh, well, that's a year of training where I'll be gone a lot of Saturdays and, like, doing these long things. Like, you kind of have to get buy in from the whole family before, before even doing it. And sometimes you might not get buy in and that's okay, too.
But, you know, I think that, that you kind of have to have those discussions prior to, to signing up for something, or if you're setting goals, you know, they, you can adjust goals, they're easy to adjust.
Dylan: Yeah, or, or, you know, do a self check. Is my name Keegan Swenson? Yeah. If so, I need to prioritize, uh, training because my livelihood is these races.
Uh, if not, uh, maybe, maybe my family might come first. I don't know.
Matt: Hard to say.
Dylan: Yeah. Hard, tricky, tricky. No way to tell. No way. But also, I mean, Without looking at a license plate. That molar coming through your baby's gums in three or four months, like, that [00:46:00] doesn't care about your race schedule. It's gonna disrupt
Jake: things.
What did you guys do when you had your first, did you guys just like, stop everything and just fully focus on that or were you still trying to find some sort of, uh, balance that we're getting some training in? I remember thinking,
Matt: like, this will be, like, I, this, this is how dumb I am. I remember, like, literally saying, like, oh, it's cool.
I'll just take care of the baby while I work and in front of the computer, like, it'll be fine. Like, that means, like, it'll be, it'll be great. Like, I'll have baby, I'll put the baby down, get my work done, do a pick baby up sometimes. Like, I just thought that it was going to be easy. And that's just, ugh, I can't believe it was, it was like your whole day is just swamped by this little being that just needs everything.
So, um, I think that I, I think during that first kid, my thought was like, And I don't know if like we had like a Official discussion, but it was like go get a two mile run in [00:47:00] each day. So if you guys are not runners, that's fine Two miles takes like 15 minutes 15 minutes per day. That's what I got. Like I just that's it Yeah, I had my little route that I did with the dog We were, you know, my wife also loved the dog, so it was like, yeah, you go, dude, you're two miles.
And that was it. And that was, and it was fine. And it was, I was not super fit, but
Dylan: I don't want to hear what Lance has to say, but I will just say, you know, to stay flexible in your plans and not, not stick to expectations. Be a. Maybe an example is like, you know, oh, I put this on the calendar for next Saturday.
I'm going on a ride with buddies Yeah, or you know, oh, I we talked about this three days ago It was like, okay, but we got you your partner got no sleep last night Yeah, and is at the edge of her rope and does not give a s that is on the calendar and that you planned ahead Like be prepared guys. I can't go.
I'll make up the time some other Some other way.
Matt: Yeah, that's that's that's huge for sure. And the other [00:48:00] I feel like newborn is a weird situation Where like I remember when you first get this this baby home like time just operates on a different scale I just remember being like I'm in my pajama pants.
It's 5 p. m. It's not because I put them on early It's because
Lance: we haven't
Matt: done it. Like I just remember thinking like time was just like totally different for a big block of time when you had this like new baby
Dylan: every night last a million years and yeah When six months go by you're like what happened?
Lance,
Lance: what'd you do? I I had a very different lifestyle when I had newborn kids So when my first two kids were born while I was in dental school Oh, well, so recently married we'd been married a year and a half before we had our first Child and so I'm in dental school. Dental school was a hundred and twenty hour a week Commitment not just class but labs and yeah, and yeah, it was a Gigantic commitment to get through [00:49:00] dental school.
So I had kids during that
Matt: Kristen was a resident during her. Yes during Ethan when he was born. So yeah very similar
Lance: so so I was fat and slow when my kids were newborns That's, that's the gist of it. I, I don't know how to, I don't know how to soften that. I had, I had a very difficult time. What is he now though? I'm all so fat and slow now.
Uh, I found that early on in my career. I, and I've probably discussed this before in my life, but I was only ever really good at balancing like three things at once. When I tried to add a fourth thing, things started to suffer on all rest of the fronts. And so my family was very important to me. My career was very important to me and church was very important to me.
So, so during that time when I was in dental school, those are the three things I [00:50:00] was balancing. What did I leave out? fitness. So I was 240 pounds. Yeah. I was a big boy. Big. That's two lances. That is two, almost two lances. Not
Matt: quite. I think I had this friend that like, we were really good friends growing up.
And then we ran collegiately and we would talk all the time. We'd be like, Like, we'd have these three things that we're trying to balance. It was school, girls, like, you know, girl relationships, whatever, and athletics. And he was like, I can, I can keep two going, but I can never have three going at the same time.
Like, it never, like, you can never get that balance. I thought that was very funny.
Jake: Is that girls or is that things? Sorry. This was like the three of
Matt: those three things. But yes, he also, yes, also multiple girls. Yes. Maybe that's why he couldn't get the third
Jake: thing going. Females in there. Yeah,
Lance: that's right.
So, so anyway, during that, during dental school and the early parts of my career, that's what I was focused on was those few things. And so I started doing triathlon shortly [00:51:00] after graduating. Once a triathlete, always a triathlete.
Dylan: Because now you have 120 hours a week to put towards triathlon.
Lance: That's right.
Well, once I got out of dental school, I was only Spending 60 or 70 hours a week actually working and working on my business and, and focusing on trying to make money somehow to support my family, which was the most important thing to me. And so, when my kids were little, I found that When my kids were between newborn and like 6 or 7, they took an enormous amount of time.
Between 10 and 13, I found they didn't take quite as much time, and that's when I did triathlon. Why? I, that's a whole other story. Cause triathlon's awesome. Cause triathlon sucks. I am a very competitive person. Dammit. You knew this was coming. And I certainly am uh, always motivated by doing certain things.
One of them is being a triathlete. Oh, triathlete. Triathlete that I can be and try to be as fast as I can be. What is [00:52:00] that? It's a great speech. It's a great speech. Is that AI? It is not AI. It just came straight from my mouth. When was that? Like 2008? No, 2004. I can't remember. It lives on YouTube. It's on my YouTube channel.
Okay, but let's
Dylan: back up to you graduate dental school. And then your, your work only takes up 70 hours a week. Yeah. Only 70. I want, what was your wife's face when she's like, Finally, 50 more hours a week with Lance and the family. And you're like, not so fast. Hold on. Hold on. Check out this fort.
Lance: I'm gonna do something.
I'll be in Kona. Well, she I was like pudgy, and soft, and a big boy, so she was like She was encouraging. She was okay with me trying to be more physical, you know? So, and be more fit. So, that helped. Once my kids got to be teenagers, freaking A, it was busy. It got busy again. So I didn't do Is this like going to see their stuff and go and like driving them all over the place?
I didn't want to miss anything. Being a father was [00:53:00] kind of the most important thing to me in my entire life And so I didn't want to miss games. I didn't want to miss recitals. I didn't want to miss plays I didn't I didn't want to miss stuff.
Matt: I'm moving into that phase where it's like I think Yesterday, I think I drove like I mean if you count the amount of times I was in the car like driving around it was like Five hours during the workday that I was just driving around, just driving things around or like, like running errands.
I'm like, holy crap. Yep. It was, my day was over. It was, it was unbelievable. Anyway, sorry. So
Lance: we had this listener that asked the question, how do you guys are all fathers? How do you keep that? Well, right now I am fairly fit and fast comparatively in my life, not comparatively to you suckers. He's looking good, folks.
Trust me. He is looking so good. And part of the reason Hold your horses. Stand back, I'm taking Dylan. So, so, part Part of the reason why I'm fit and fast right [00:54:00] now is all my kids are adults. They're out of the house. They don't live with me anymore. Plus, I don't have a job. So I don't have a job to focus on.
And, and my kids involvement, my involvement with my kids is all Fun stuff, relatively. So, my time commitment just went down drastically because my kids are all adults. So, obviously, you know, my oldest kid is 29, my youngest is almost 25. So, they're all out of the house and all adults, they all do their own thing and so, I have more time.
And you do prioritize cycling over drinking. And I do, I can now, yes. Drugs. Right. So, I try to, I try to get them on a bike and do more stuff. So I don't know how much help that is to the listener, because I had a real, I just
Dylan: Here's some advice, make your kids age 29 years. Perfect!
Lance: That's what I'm
Matt: saying.
Maybe their, the advice is there is light at the end of the tunnel. Yes. Right? That it
Lance: does change. I, I did have a few years in triathlon [00:55:00] where I was actually fit and fast. Yeah. When my kids were Not teenagers when they were, when they were younger and there wasn't quite as much stuff for me to go through and maybe that's just the way My family did it.
I also had a stay at home wife and that made a difference
Jake: too. True. So yeah Those first three months are really tough. Even sometimes it might even be four or five six months before You start to establish a little bit of a routine. So just really manage your expectations for those first three months and just know that that's not going to be the way it is forever and just take the little wins where you can get them.
And that if that's just going for a walk or a jog or jumping on a trainer, um, for me, I, I really didn't feel comfortable, even though I would sometimes get the hall pass to go do it. I didn't feel comfortable going on a three or four hour ride. Guilty the whole time. Exactly. Cause like knowing that they're completely exhausted and shelled from like being up all throughout the night, having to feed.
From a guy's perspective for that first. You know, three, four, five months, like there's nothing you can do. Like they need their mom. They need to nurse and all that stuff. And [00:56:00] then once you kind of start to transition into bottles and stuff like that, you can help out a little bit through the night, but it's one of those things where you're like, like you almost feel guilty cause you're getting sleep.
And then you're going to feel guilty because you're going to go on a ride and you're feeling guilty because you get to go to work and you get to manage your, your schedule how you want to. I mean, I guess everybody's a little bit different. That's just how I felt. So,
Dylan: but that,
Jake: that
Dylan: moment, when you get back from that three hour long ride.
You're like, oh, I am so beat. I gotta go get in the hot tub. Don't hand that boots. Oh, man, take a nap. And yeah,
Lance: I did find that o of course, after a workout, I'm way more well adjusted. I'm way more patient. I'm way more willing to deal with whatever was coming from the kids wife. Oh, you wanna play?
Dylan: on a table and just roll them around with your hand.
Jake: I'm
Dylan: in, I'm in. Yeah. And not for
Jake: nothing, you hit on a very good point. I was the same way. Like I need to have fitness in my life. That's kind of how I like balance everything. Cause my life can get pretty chaotic sometimes because I have problems saying no to certain things and take on way too many things.
And like, [00:57:00] you're all of a sudden like, Oh, my brain's going to explode going for a ride makes all that go away. And it settles things down and helps me get back into my focus mode. Being able to go do that and then come back to help with the kids, just like you said, was awesome. So, and you know, there's, it's not, it's not ideal.
You don't get to go see beautiful things and do fun stuff outside. But riding on a trainer can give you that, that same sense of like, you know, physical fitness and some mental relief and all that other stuff. And it doesn't have to be something where you're on the trainer for long periods of time. And as a matter of fact, there were times, and I've still done it now, it's been a minute now, but.
Like if I wanted to get three hours in, I would ride three different times throughout the day, get up early, get an hour in and go do all the things, help out with the family. And then maybe like when a kid's taking a nap or something like that, or it's during the middle day, go right for another hour. And then in the evening, when everything's calmed down and everybody's kind of in their place, go right again.
I've done that several or not several, many times. And that works too.
Lance: You know, the other thing I did, which I think about it now, and I'm so ridiculous, but when my kids were busier, [00:58:00] I would. Take them to soccer practice.
Jake: Yeah. And I
Lance: would, I would run laps around the track while my kid was, all the other parents are sitting in their cars or sitting in the stands and I'm running laps as my daughter was out there practicing.
Matt: Yeah. So almost every swim meet I bring like go for a run and my wife does too and it's super nice because you know you there's down time There's yeah, there's swim meets all that stuff. Yeah, you just hop in and start doing laps Uh, I wish I could swim. I actually have always like threatened to be like, oh, they'll give me a lane They'll give me a lane with all these little kids wearing swimsuits.
That's a good idea. No, uh No, I just go for a run. I just put the running shoes on and go. I know, like, every pool that we go to, I know, like, where to go run and what to do and where the tracks are and all that stuff.
Lance: It's me doing those things, it, it did prevent me from wanting to be the soccer coach or the swimming coach.
I, I never wanted to commit [00:59:00] myself to being part of the leadership of the team that my kids were on because I wanted to do your thing. I want, I was selfish about my time. Yeah.
Dylan: To answer this question though, when you're running laps around your kid's soccer practice, And you're coming up to where their whole team is and you think they might be looking at you.
Does your pace go up? Oh yeah, of course. Does your form improve?
Lance: That's right. My, my, uh, my shorts get a little tighter. I feel, wait a minute, wait a minute. I feel like, uh,
Matt: I feel like there was this one, I don't, someone was like, we always like threatened to take a bike trainer out to like the soccer game.
It was always like the threat. I swear there was someone that did it and I can't remember who it was. I think like, One of the, one of the moms that like I used to do triathlon training with or something like that. Anyway, that, that is, that's a bold move right there. That is a bold move. And if our listeners do that, you have to like, write us and tell us, write us and tell us about it.
I wrote a trainer. I would just love it. It just to see someone just like set up and be like, next week I'm, I'm bringing one too. And we'll, [01:00:00] we'll trade, like, we'll do it together. Like, I would just so. Pretty soon you got a whole spin class
Lance: on the sidelines. Just perfect. What
Jake: So for that age, my personal recommendation is just find some consistency and don't like try and focus on the volume.
Just be consistent and find those little wins and know that it's just a small snapshot in time and make sure that your priorities are set right too, because that time goes by really fast, like faster than you're ever going to know if you're like when you're in it in the very beginning, like, Oh my gosh, this is never going to end.
Is this the rest of my life? No. And before you know it, your kids are going to be gone and off to college and you're going to be like, What the hell happened? Yeah. How did, how, how did that happen? So, you know, like
Dylan: actual fitness impact of you, you know, stepping back and taking time off. It would be like, if you had a major injury and surgery and recovery and like, Oh, I lost a year of cycling.
Like you're going to come back. You're going to come back. Epsom flows,
Jake: baby.
Dylan: And can I say one thing, you know, if you're wondering, because I know a lot of expectant parents in the next month or so, it's super exciting because they're, [01:01:00] they're competitive cyclists. And, uh, you know, the question of, you're like, your life is about to go to shit.
No, I was just the principle of if it's your first kid, you know, from, from their birth to year, you know, they're one year old now, that first year you have no idea what you're doing. Right. Yeah. I think we can all agree. Yes. And then from, from year one to year two, you have some sort of idea what to do with, you know, a zero year old.
And then as soon as they turn two, you're like, cool. Now I'm good at one year olds. So the whole time they're growing, you have no idea what to do or how to manage it, but you learned how to, how to do it over the previous year. So if you do have the second one, it's not as hard. You already have some experience in that, but it like give yourself extra space.
Like, okay. You know, I knew how to do this a month ago when there didn't know how to stand and run around and get in trouble. But now I got to adapt like, oh, now they're going to put fingers in my trainer as [01:02:00] it's spinning. I got to figure something else out.
Matt: Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely feel like, um, there's that like, the second one is almost a little bit better in a lot of ways, and for one, yeah, you have some experience in what to expect, and then also, like, the house is set up a certain way, where maybe you have plug covers, or whatever it is, and then you, the one thing that I noticed was like, um, with two kids, it felt more, Like, I would always take, like, the older kid, my wife would take the baby, or whatever, and it just felt like, oh, there's a little bit of balance here, like, Matt's not just, like, screwing around, going for a bike ride, like, he's taking care of a kid that needs taken care of.
So that felt, like, you were, you talked about this, like, feeling super guilty doing whatever, like having the The two kids was a nice sweet spot to be like, okay, we're both, we're both doing something. We're both working. Yeah.
Dylan: Well, plus your bar lowers too for your personal standards. Yes. So if you're running laps at the park and you look over and your kid's eating dirt, you know, [01:03:00] first kid, you might have to stop and go talk to the second kid.
Three more laps. Oh, it looks
Jake: like good dirt. Oh, he's eating dirt. We're good for a little while. No, no, no. That's a good thing. Claudio minerals. Um, so again, you get through that, that infant stage, that newborn stage in six months to a year, you start to develop a routine and then it starts to become a lot easier, but to Dylan's point, it's always changing that first one's like, Oh my gosh, now this and yeah, like month to month in that first year.
Yeah. So, um, how about once you kind of get out of that, that phase, and then you're kind of just dealing with more of a family mode and maybe now you've got multiple kids and, and kind of alluding to the, the, the second question that was asked of us, um, how are you balancing your family life with your training and your racing?
It's a mess.
Dylan: Am I supposed to?
Lance: I think that's a common theme. That's interesting. How do you balance it? Cause it is difficult. It really is difficult to balance it, especially when the kids are active. Some of those
Matt: same things. [01:04:00] It's like, I still want my wife to get out and do a run cause she's, it's more like she feels better.
Everyone feels better. And she wants me to train also. Other things like kind of being like, Oh, I'm going to do this a hundred day, whatever challenge. Like she knows that there's a lot of days she's going to come home from work and I'll be in the garage. Like she'll look over, I'll be on the bike and I'll be like, Oh, I got 24 minutes left or whatever it is.
Right. Like. Being on board and knowing what, you know, agreeing with your partner about like, Oh, this whatever block of time is sort of important or we have a kind of roughly agreed that you can go for this thing or whatever. I think that's huge. So getting that stuff established and that's kind of regardless of age.
I mean, I think newborns, you kind of have to take another step back, but like kind of regardless of age. I think if you have your partner agreeing on like, yeah, we should, you should do this. You should try this. That, that helps a lot.
Jake: Having good communication is going to be super key there and, and making sure that you're, you know, giving and taking, it's never going to be [01:05:00] perfect, but having that communication in place for me played a huge role.
There is something that I've seen people do and my wife and I have done it kind of to a certain bit of a degree, but not to this extent, but I've multiple couples, partners, husband, wife, teams, whatever it might be. Have done this thing where like, all right, this is your year. You get to focus on what you want to do.
And maybe you do a little bit of training leading up to that. But for that full year, you get, you're in a spot, like your schedule gets put on the calendar first and everything else gets filled in behind that. And then they will go and. Trying to achieve all of their goals in that year. Then the next year, the other spouse or partner will jump in and they're in the position.
You have to have an understanding spouse to do that. Yeah. Sorry, babe. I got too many games this year. I got to let it ride. Yeah, but I've done that to a certain degree. Not, not like fully, but like my wife has had, um, stuff where she's like, all right, we're doing this thing this year where we're doing. I don't know, like half marathon.
She's going to try and do like eight of them in a year or something like that. Or these trail series or all these different [01:06:00] things. And like, it was important to her. I'm like, all right, you get to like call your shots. So like on the weekends, I will take care of the kids. You go do your runs with your friends.
And then as soon as you're done, if there's time on the schedule, I'll I'll make it happen for me. But you go do your stuff, then family. And then I kind of fill in everything else with my writing and. It worked out pretty well, but it does take a lot of planning. It does take a lot of good communication.
So I don't
Matt: think that I've ever done that. Like where it's like this calendar is yours, but we have done this like, Oh, well you're training for an Ironman. There's this priority here and my wife, same thing. Like she's trained for marathons and it's like, here's your training plan. Like these training, the training plan is important.
Like that's top priority for, and our family does kind of like work around it. So same kind of concept. And it does work. Having, having everyone agree on the goal.
Jake: Yeah. What about you guys?
Lance: I, my be independently wealthy, quit your job and give up on religion. That'll [01:07:00] invest in my new coin. Look at my mean coin dropping today.
Jake: It's, it's, it's always going to have bumps in the roads. It's, it's never going to be perfect. It's never going to go the way that you want it. And if it does, there's going to be. collateral damage, we'll just say that, and, and it can, and we've all been there. I'm sure you've been there at some point in time.
I can for sure tell you I've been there. Like when I've made that a priority over my wife or my family or events or whatnot, she's like, Something suffers. Yeah. You're going to go ride for three hours with your friends and you're not going to your daughter's soccer game. That does not sit well. I love going to my kids soccer games, but sometimes like, I don't want to go drive for two hours to watch some game that's going to be crappy.
That's just kind of like a scrimmage kind of thing. And then I'm like, I'm just going to go ride. I'm still going to catch flack for that. Yes, you are. You gotta, you gotta pick your battles.
Lance: Double down on that. It is not worth missing your kids stuff. Don't I, I have a great relationship with my adult kids that I have found that that's kind [01:08:00] of unique.
Not everybody does. Sometimes there's some kind of issue or problem where your relationship with your own kid falls apart and they just don't want anything to do with you. Um, that, that has not happened with me, and, and I think part of that was is because I tried to be a very present father. I didn't want to miss stuff.
I, my two, my two daughters were in, they were in theater. And, you know, sometimes those high school plays are trash. What do you mean sometimes? But, um, I mean, they're great. We love all the kids. But my daughters, okay. I went to every performance. Yeah. If they did ten runs on a play, if they did ten performances, I went to every performance.
Just, I, I wanted them to know that they were loved and supported and that I was there for them. And, and I gave up on a lot. I gave up a lot of personal stuff so that I wouldn't miss my kid stuff.
Jake: Parent pro tip right here. Help your children choose their sports wisely. Matt, your options,
Dylan: [01:09:00] cycling,
Jake: cycling, Matt stepped out to go use the, the, the powder room, if you will.
He'll be back in just a second. But, um, like his kids are swimming. Oh my gosh, is that a commitment? You're driving all over the place and they're, they're there all day long. And you get to watch them for just sometimes 30 seconds. And that's a huge time commitment. Matt's going to walk back in and he can speak to this in just a second.
But you know, and, and another example is like my son started doing track and field last year and I made the mistake of like, all right, I'm going to go watch this track meet, not realizing that it was like four hours long. Holy crap. And like, he chose like three different events and one was the very first event.
One was in the middle of the meet, and one was at the very end, and I'm like, dude. Track is the worst. Track is hard. Swimming things run on time. Yeah. Which is nice. But, I was just speaking to this like, you don't get to see them swim for very long, but you still have to be there for the entire meet, right?
Yeah. So, like you get to maybe see your kids swim for a minute or two or five if you're lucky, and then you're there for how many hours? One
Matt: thing that I've told a lot of parents, because I [01:10:00] coached all these things, is like, the best thing that you can, I mean, there's two ways to do it. You can like, You can kind of be there and try to watch your kid for the 30, you know, 30 seconds, whatever.
Or you can like try to get involved with the entire team and know all the kids that are on the team and know what their times are and cheer for them and all this stuff. And then it's almost like, Oh, there's some person that I'm cheering for for the entire four hour block. Sure. That's pretty fun. And we've really enjoyed that.
It takes commitment and takes time, right? Because it's like, You know, we've been following this same group of kids for whatever it is, like four or five years now. And so then you start to really kind of get invested in cheering for everyone. It's a little harder when it's like, oh, spring track is for, you know, these two or three months out of the year.
You're not going to know the 200 kids that are out there. There's no way.
Outro: Yeah.
Matt: But Yeah. I mean, when I go to the same track meets because I coach, I know all these kids and even though I'm more of like a volunteer assistant coach for track, it's like, I just know all these kids. I'm cheering for all of them.
It seems to move a little bit faster. I [01:11:00] don't get bored at track meets because I'm good, but it
Jake: doesn't bode well for your training schedule. So to my point, while you were using the restroom was, um, just help your, help your kids pick the right sports that are going to be a little bit more time optimized so that you can make it work for volleyball tournaments.
Those take lots of time because they're traveling all over the place. I mean, I, baseball for my son was great. Now I was the coach of that. So that was a big time commitment because I'm coaching, um, you know, three practices a week in a game or two a week. And again, that can be a big time suck. But if I wasn't, and there was a, the last season that he played, he, because I was injured and Bouncing, trying to recover and all that other stuff.
But, um, he was coached by somebody else and it was a far less commitment on my end. It was kind of fun cause I could go watch him play and I didn't have to like have those many, many hours of investment. Is he going to do
Matt: track this spring? Yes. Yeah.
Jake: Nice. So anyhow. He's a fast 400 runner. Yeah. Do you guys have any other pro tips of things that you've done during your, uh, your parenting years?
Like. That, that helped you kind of find the time to get the training in. I mean, [01:12:00] the, the, the low hanging fruit is, yeah, just have a trainer set up because it's there, it's, it's ready to go. Just, you know, get up early, get it done, get it out of the way. So you don't have to think about it for the rest of the day or have some kid related thing pop up that's going to screw up your schedule.
What something else that you guys did you can try to
Matt: use those down times like Jake was saying like his son had You know a race in the beginning of the meet and then you know Whatever towards the end if you can sneak off in the middle and go get a bike ride in I know that you're laughing I'm dead serious That's why it's,
Dylan: I gotta go to the bathroom.
I'll be right back if
Matt: you're in full
Dylan: kit.
Jake: You know, there's been a few times where, um, my wife was driving there anyway, so she'll drive the kids to their sport and I will leave accordingly to how long I think it's going to take and I'll ride there and I'll say, Hey, you know, I don't really want to be walking around in my kit.
And so she would bring me like a pair of sweat pants and a jacket that I could throw and it was good. And then when the movement was over, then I would go ride again. I can [01:13:00] remember times going to the beach as well when our kids were little. And when we lived in Southern California, it was one of those things where I could ride there and then do the whole beachy thing and ride back.
Or sometimes just if, if time was of, you know, it was kind of crunched or whatnot. We would drive to the beach and I would take my bike there on the rack and whatnot. We would go do all the beach stuff, bike inside the car at that point in time so it didn't get ripped off. And then when we were done she would drive home and then I would go for my ride that would eventually end up at home.
And it was just one of those things where I was a part of everything that the family was doing. Just except I wasn't there for the ride home, but that was fine and the kids were all worn out They were tired and everybody was just gonna go home and get cleaned up and they're just gonna go sit on the couch and relax And then dad rolls up at whatever time and that worked out really well.
Dylan: Yeah, as long as you don't spend your beach time On your phone looking at your metrics. How did I do on this right? Oh, I gotta, I gotta do a couple more efforts.
Jake: Starting all of your Strava segments for the ride home. Yeah.
Dylan: Hang on. Someone took my KOM. I'll be right back. Yeah. How do I get this on the way home?
Jake: Yeah. Um, do you guys have any other hacks [01:14:00] or little tips that you've used or employed over your time? Trainer's
Dylan: key for me, right? Because you don't have to worry about the weather. Like as long as. Using the trainer isn't gonna wake anyone up if it's a part of your house, just go hop on it. And at one point we even had two trainers side by side, which was great.
So my wife and I could ride and hold hands together and that lasted all of a month. Oh! No, she, I think she was recovering from a knee thing. So she's like, I need to get some cycling time and we couldn't just leave the house. So it was fun while it lasted.
Jake: Yeah. When my kids were really young too, um, where I lived, there was, there was, we were talking this kind of a little bit yesterday, but there's group rides every single day of the week.
And it's really nice to have these, like, you know, it's just, nobody really organizes them. Nobody puts anything out there to the world. It's just been like a longstanding tradition. Like that ride leaves at this place at this time, and this is the route. And you kind of know who's going to show up and you can kind of pick accordingly.
When our kids were young and they weren't fully engrossed in sports for a long period of time I know that I could [01:15:00] get up at 8 o'clock in the morning Or 7 o'clock in the morning and then be out the door at 8 o'clock to go do this ride And I would even try and get some of my base miles in before that So I would leave a little bit earlier when the kids were probably still in bed or just you know Watching cartoons doing their thing go get my little bit of ride and jump on that ride go do however long that wasn't be Home and know that I just got in a fantastic workout Good volume.
I'm home at like 10, 10, 30, when everything's kind of starting to ramp up to go do fun things for the day. And I can be fully participating in the family activities and got my ride done. And the rest of the day is just good to go. So if you can find like a, a structured organized ride that you can go jump on and that, you know, that it's on the calendar, it's consistent, it's reliable.
You've got people to ride with. It's going to push you and do all those fun things that works out really well. We need more of those. Yeah. We
Lance: need more of that.
Jake: Anything else, boys? No.
Dylan: Well, let me tell you this, uh, my, my 10 year old saw me riding on Zwift, you know, pretty consistently since December and he's like, I want to do that.
It's like, Oh, [01:16:00] okay. Okay. So I got that Zwift cog. Yeah. Uh, I hate it because if I tried to use my bike on it, it's just loud. It's just loud. But his bike is the eight speed rear. So I just slap it on and it works. So anyway, overpriced, but he can get on Zwift now and do the virtual shifting and it's great because he's like, I want to go for 25 minutes.
I'm like, perfect. Like I'll put them on a little route and you can push whatever buttons you want. And he does this thing where he'll soft pedal it and then just sprint and then I'm so tired of like a single tear coming down my face like you have mastered Zwift in one session.
Matt: That's
Jake: awesome. Um, another.
thing that you can consider to that will really help you with your time and time management, making sure that you're kind of checking all the boxes, get a coach or get a follow a training program based on the recommendation of a coach so that, you know, like, all right, based on the fact that I am crunched for time and I need to get things done, like figure out a program.
If you're working with a coach that can write up something good, figure out a program that's going to [01:17:00] be as optimized as it possibly can. So that you can hit the most important parts of your workout and anything else on top of that's just like icing on the cake.
Dylan: Let me ask you this, besides coach and a trainer, Uh huh.
If you know you have a kid on the way, is there any other physical equipment that you should have on hand that would help you in that first year or two? Like what other, what else could you go get that would be like, Oh, I'm so
Jake: glad I have this in the house. Oh, that's, um, probably some basic things like off the bike kind of stuff, like some dumbbells, I think is good just to do some off the bike stuff, but that's not really going to help you if you're trying to build up like, you know, your overall fitness and endurance for being fast on the bike.
Um, gosh, I don't know. I mean, there are other ways that you can. Get a really good workout, like a treadmill, like I'm not a runner and I don't want to run, but you can get a hell of a workout in one 30, 30 minute treadmill workout,
Lance: maybe,
Jake: or like a rowing machine, the
Lance: kid trailer for your bike. Yep.
Jake: Yeah.
That's another good one too. Yeah. Well,
Lance: jogging, jogging, [01:18:00] stroller, jogging, stroller, and a kid trailer. I did the Swami's ride in San Diego one year and there was a dude with a bike seat on the back of his bike and his. Three year old on the back and he was on an e bike But he kept up with the ride on the Swami ride with his three year old strapped to a bike seat.
I thought it was brilliant yeah,
Jake: we had a bike trailer for our kids when they were younger and When we just had to I would put both of them in there and then my wife would be on her bike with nothing And those bike trailers slow you down. So it really balances the thing out. And we used to live at the top of a hill too.
And now I'm like, all right, I'm going to go as hard up this thing as I freaking can. And I've got a lot of weight back there. And we would ride to the grocery store sometimes just to get a workout. It was fun for the kids and whatnot. So I've got all that stuff in there because my wife doesn't have a bag with her.
She's not pulling anything. I've got the groceries in there. They got a gallon of milk and cans of this and produce that. So I'm pulling. A fair amount of weight up this hill and like, all right, let's go. So you're racing your wife. So that was, [01:19:00] that was kind of fun. I love it. Um, I had that
Dylan: probably that same bike trailer, cause I think every everyone gets one and I think my kid was two, two and a half and I did one of those kiddicle mass rides, which are awesome.
Yeah. Biking around with everyone and their kids. And I found out why this trailer had a recall on it. Oh, no. You know, the arm that you clip in that appears to be clipped in, but is not clipped in. So at one point over in St. John's, it unclipped and the trailer went and flipped on its roof and skidded to a stop.
And everyone freaked out, but like, I'm really by the book. I'm like, okay, we're going to put you in. You got the shoulder harness and your helmet inside. It's like, sweet dad, do it again. I thought it was a fun ride. And I'm the only one there not paying attention. Flip them back over. You love it. He's fine.
It was great.
Jake: Yeah. Well, and again, those bike trainers, those things can be pretty magical in that the kids love that and it provides resistance in a workout. So if you plan the ride accordingly, you can get a good workout. And then the, the, the, the biggest thing, the overlying thing of [01:20:00] all of this is if you take the kid out for riding, let's say if you've got just one, or maybe you've got two of them in there, it gives your, your significant other.
A chance to have that downtime. So you're kind of optimizing, you're getting the brownie points because you know, you're, you're, you know, giving them the free time and you're going on a ride. The kids are having fun. You're riding your bike. Everybody wins in that situation.
Dylan: Yeah. That's win win. I used to know a guy that he swore.
The only way he could get his newborn to sleep is if he puts them in the car and goes for a drive to get a burger from the drive thru.
Lance: That's the only thing. That's the other direction you could go. Yeah.
Jake: I I, straightforward. This will be my, my last recommendation to commute. To work on your bike. Yeah.
Yeah. That's an idea. If you, if you can make that work, if that works into your schedule and you can ride your bike to work. Okay. Yeah. That if you ride, you know, if you're, maybe if you leave to go to work a little bit early, get a little bit of a workout in, you can do that too. Grand. You're probably gonna be carrying a backpack, but who cares?
You're riding your bike and you're getting a workout, you're elevating your heart rate. It's all good. And then you get a ride on the way home too, and you're gonna be in a happy, good, you know, good mood when you get home. Yep. Ready [01:21:00] to help. That's a great tip. Optimize everywhere you possibly can. Yeah, it's great.
Unless you work from home.
Dylan: Yeah, uh, uh. Which is everyone.
Jake: Unless you're trying to work in front of a computer. Work from home. So. Any other things that you guys want to put out there for, for the folks?
Lance: That was good. I think.
Dylan: Oh, can I just say, uh, definitely reach out to your friends if you need help.
Everyone's here to help with your newborn and if you need something, if you need, you know, guys, it's, we're underwater on this. Can someone come watch the kid for an hour? Yeah. Just everyone. Yes. Ask. Yeah. We're there for you. Yeah. That's also true. Very
Lance: true.
Jake: Yep. Stay motivated, manage your time, manage your expectations.
Communicate with your, uh, significant other and just find all the little wins that you possibly can and know that it will get easier at some point in time. And it's going to ebb and flow. It's just gonna, it's going to be up and down and all around. And as long as you remember what, what's most important, you'll, you'll be fine.
Perfect. I think, yeah, your TSS, TSS
Dylan: is the most important sweet.
Jake: Let's move on to,
Matt: um, one last thing, [01:22:00] Matt, I don't, I don't have that much. Cause I don't. No, if I'm going to get a video out this week, what are you working on? I know what's in the hopper. Um, you got a couple of maybe I have this, I have a plan for a video and it's basically Armin.
Uh, it's kind of like a, uh, Apple is turning into Garmin watch and Garmin turning into Apple with a lot of the things that they're doing that are similar where Apple is working on cycling features is including power meters and things like that, including maps and routing and stuff like that. Um, Garmin also making like a more.
You know, adding, let's see, what is Garmin doing that's similar to Apple? For one, they actually made one of their venue watches is like this square Apple clone watch. Oh, geez. It's a nightmare. But like, they've also done things like add microphone and speaker and a dive computer, which again, all of that stuff is similar to what the Apple Watch Ultra does.
So I have this video that's not flushed out. Obviously, you can tell by the way I'm talking about it, that's not very flushed out. Where we talk about like, [01:23:00] okay. Apple's melting, or merging into what Garmin's doing. Garmin's merging into what Apple's doing. Yeah, I don't know. I need, I need help fleshing out that video.
But that's, that's one of the videos I want to work on. The other video, uh, I ran downtown Portland the other day, and had a whole bunch of watches, like four or five watches. And was testing and looking at the data and there's something called multiband GPS on a lot of the watches that are out there, which is great because you can connect to multiple satellite systems and you can connect to multiple frequencies on those satellites, but from what I can tell, looking at the, it doesn't, I think it's overrated.
Basically, everyone feels like they need to have that on their watch. But you don't. It's just not that helpful. Anyway, so those are the two videos I gotta figure out. I'd love to get those recorded sometime, but I don't have them, like, figured out in my mind yet, and so I probably won't have a video this week.
Cool. Have you ever phoned it in on a video?
Dylan: You guys
Matt: think
Dylan: he can't? Do you think he has that speed? Wait [01:24:00] a minute, which
Matt: video isn't phoned in? I'm always like, I'm sick of
Dylan: That's your phoning it
Matt: in speed? I'm, I'm, I always get to a point working on a video and I'm like, I am sick of this. I am never looking at this watch again.
I am done. Anyway, here's
Dylan: 8 minutes of perfection. Exactly.
Matt: Yeah, and 24 minutes of complete crap.
Jake: You know What about nine weeks out at the April 1st thing that comes up every year, which I
Matt: also don't have a plan for. Usually it's like, I'll have some idea, like, you know, halfway through the year I'll have some idea.
I'll save that for April 1st. I have no idea what I'm doing. I'll do something. I'll come up with something.
Intro: Hmm.
Matt: 68
Jake: days just checked. Figure it out, Matt. Damn it. Wait, cool. Sounds good. Dylan, one last thing from you, bud. Check out your video.
Dylan: Yes, please. I would tell people to search for Thick for Daddies, but I don't know how to spell it.
I don't know. It changes. T H I
Lance: Q
Dylan: I'm [01:25:00] gonna search
Matt: for Thick Thick daddies on on the Internet. I'm pretty sure ripped
Dylan: your targeted ads.
Matt: I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna find what I'm looking for. Yeah. Okay,
Jake: Dylan. Do you have anything in the works right now? You've got to have some sort of mental brain project with video.
I mean, I'll be right back. Do you
Matt: have some fun
Jake: stuff? What do you plan for 2025? Oh, cool. I mean, I'm sure you don't have a full like schedule, but you've got some ideas of things that you want to do because you've always got that creative touch on stuff and you've got ideas. I really
Dylan: want to do a Tabor unchained video.
That would be awesome. I kind of have some pieces in my head about it and one big piece was, you know, I need that camera moto. Like I want the exact equipment they're using on Tour de France for myself because then it will look authentic. Like, you know, if you handheld an iPhone, it's not going to look like this.
You
Lance: need a driver and somebody sitting with the, on the back. So I met a
Dylan: guy on one of the Valkyr group [01:26:00] rides who's a dad of one of the younger riders He's like, oh, yeah, I used to work with the you know, that BMW camera car. Yeah Oh, yeah, I know all the car rigging people and he has an electric moto is like would you be down to do this?
He's like
Matt: hell yeah, and also be nice to get some behind the scenes of that stuff Like you just you need to send me a message when I when you need help with Like, behind the scenes footage or whatever, like you let me know, I'll bring the camera. I work for cheap. So I would love,
Dylan: I would love to do a Tabor video where like, it's a, you know, every time up that hill, it's only two minutes long, but you can make it look like it's a mountain stage with all the crowd there.
Um, anyway, that's, that's a long shot. I've got a couple bikes I'm really excited about painting. I can't tell you anything about that. But they're for two really, really exceptional riders. And I'm very excited to get those done. And, uh, and to not screw them up like I always do. Uh, and then as always, um, Team Epic, East Portland Youth Cycling.
Oh my god, those kids are so strong. [01:27:00] It's unbelievable. Unfair. It's frightening, like, even on their rest days, uh, I wouldn't be able to keep up with them. So, I think this is like, we're gonna see some awesome stuff this year. Nice. Yeah.
Jake: Are you gonna be doing PR this year? Yes, so we'll see some PR videos. I'm hoping that at the normal Sure
Dylan: Yeah Yeah, I kind of go back and forth for like does anyone need to see this sometimes it's fun if you know something happens You're like, hey, there's a video of it
Matt: Yeah But the reason you started making this stuff was like post stuff and then have people you know like comment and give instruction and like learn from it like Go back to your roots.
There's still reason to post stuff. Don't feel like everything has to be Are you saying I have room for improvement as a cyclist? I'm saying that, uh, phone it in. Phone it in. Yes! That's what I wanted to hear.
Lance: One hour editing max. Love it.
Jake: Sweet. Looking forward to all of that. Should be fun. [01:28:00]
Lance: Yep, uh, happy birthday to my middle child.
Tomorrow, the 24th, uh, Kelty turns 28. I think she turns 28 tomorrow. Wow. Yeah, so happy birthday, Kelty. We'll get it. Yeah, and my wife's birthday is next week too, and I'm not telling you how old she is. 57. Oh wow. Nice. So yeah, so exciting for that. So happy birthday, wonderful women in my life. Also we have the world championship cyclocross race coming up.
That is next week. I think the men's elite is on Friday or Saturday. Am I going to lose my
Matt: bet that, what was, whatever my bet was about MVP winning everything?
Lance: MVP is still slated to be there, but he hasn't raced in like
Matt: a month.
Jake: But does that matter? Does that mean? I don't think it matters. Does that
Matt: still mean that if he He still wins everything when he does race.
He does. Yeah. I don't know what my bet was. Is Walt
Jake: going or did he Uh, well it's not going. He's done. He's in full like Yeah. Getting ready for classic the classics. Yep. Cool.
Lance: [01:29:00] Where's that streaming it? Great question. UCI. The UCI generally streams their races live on like uci.com or somewhere we're on or on YouTube.
Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So you should be able to find that stuff. Anyway, cool.
Outro: Oh, Lance has burned all his matches. Lance has burned all his
Jake: matches. He's done. That was Dylan. Alright, my one last thing is, um, hey, guess what, guys? The lab is moving. Again. What? Yes! We're moving into our new space. It's, uh, it's official now, and we're moving a full whopping one suite over.
Okay.
Matt: So people don't have to freak out too much. Just sliding over one.
Jake: Sliding over one suite. Basically doubling our square footage pretty much. So kind of excited about that. It's going to be pretty neat. And the, the unique part about this is that the space that we're moving into, despite this building being, I think it's like 20 years old or something like that, they never developed it, it's still raw concrete floor and it's [01:30:00] just studded walls with like insulation in there and they've.
been using it for just like general storage for all of their property. So there's a bunch of crap in there, but, um, they were super cool to work with me. They've, they've loved what we've brought to the center and it's a good location for us and, um, we've got this basic clean slate and I've got this great idea of all the things that we want to put in there.
So it's going to be really cool, fun, little shop. It's going to have, um, cool stuff. How are you going to mock up the build out? Are you using a tool for that? I, I just got some ideas. I mean, there's, there's all kinds of apps that you can do for 3D modeling and rendering. I have not done any of that. I probably should.
That'd probably be the wise thing. I've just been using, I've just been using my iPad and some, you know, graphing paper looking stuff to try and come up with some sort of a scale model. I'm curious
Matt: to see. I'm excited to see what you're going to do in that space, so it should be a preview. Yeah, it should
Jake: be interesting.
It's um, Lance will tell you like the one number one thing that I'm most excited about is not having
Lance: the floor,
Jake: the floors, [01:31:00] I don't know that the floors have always driven me nuts. The floors have driven
Lance: Jake
Jake: nuts. Yeah. But um. That aside, it's what I'm most looking forward to is just going to be having high ceilings, and we're going to do some kind of cool lighting in there.
Um, and we're going to do some cool stuff on the floors as well. The, the service space is going to be about twice the size of what they're working with right now, because the service work during the summer has just been absolutely insane. We barely survived last year, but we made it work. And then the cool part about it is we're going to have a dedicated space.
At least we're going to try it again. We had, we had this when we first moved into the other space, but then it like. Yeah, well, it worked great until it didn't because we just needed more space. And then we get kicked out of there, but, um, we're going to have a full like studio in there and the purpose behind the studio is going to be having it.
Always set up to create all kinds of fun content. And hopefully once I get everything kind of settled down, that will be my number one job is just working on content creation and doing fun stuff. So that should be fun. Kind of excited about that. Yeah. If you ever want to come in there and poke fun or make fun or do things, fun things with us or shoot videos down, you're more than welcome to use it [01:32:00] anytime you want the same for Matt too.
You guys
Dylan: are like living the 19 year old millennial dream,
Jake: yoga model, blogger. That's funny. Anyway, yeah, kind of having fun with that whole process, but it's going to be, gosh, probably about three months before it's all, all done. Um, hopefully I'm going to be meeting with the contractors or the contractor and all of the other people to kind of get an idea of when it's going to be ready, but that's based on what I've been told.
It can be about, about that long, about three months. So yeah, I think that's it. You guys done? You guys got anything else to say? No? No. All right, cool. Let's uh, let's call it done. Lance, you have fun in Tenerife. Be safe. Are you gonna call in on the podcast? Maybe? I
Lance: doubt it. Yeah, maybe. I will be with Ian.
Jake: Yeah, but you guys called in last time you were there. Yeah, we
Matt: could stall this podcast, put it out like half a week from now, and then we're good. Listeners won't know. Yeah. They don't make it. They don't make it this far into the podcast. Nobody's listens to the
Jake: no one listen to us. Yeah. Well, stay tuned.
You'll, you'll find out more soon [01:33:00] enough. Alright. Thank you everybody for listening. We do appreciate it. We will be back next week with another one of these. Until then, bye for now.
Intro: My palms used to sweat when I had to get on the highway. Now with my Camry V six, I just punch, yeah, punch it Margaret.
