Dialed Podcast 361 - Sodium Bicarbonate? Current training mode? Time to ditch the TT bike? There was a lot of HOT stuff to talk about, so have a listen and enjoy the podcast!

Rowena Rubaix road race recap, training strategies for masters athletes, and WorldTour classics. We also discuss why durability matters more than FTP, and if sodium bicarbonate is worth the hype. Episode 361 also includes some hot seat training insights, a challenge for listeners to send in questions, and some discussion about ditching TT bikes in favor of growing some grassroots racing.

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Chapters

• 0:55 Intro
• 1:47 Backpedal
• 16:31 [Ad] Fit, Healthy & Happy Podcast
• 17:18 (Cont.) Backpedal
• 24:19 Leadout News
• 34:20 EPO Chain Mail
• 37:26 Hot Seat #1 - Sodium Bicarbonate
• 44:49 Hot Seat #2 - What are we training for right now?
• 55:45 Hot Seat #3 - Time to ditch the TT bike?
• 1:17:07 One Last Thing

Transcript

Intro: [00:00:00] Shut up and sit down.

Outro: Oh. Oh, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, hot, 

Intro (2): hot, hot on bike. Could go anywhere. Field the bird on, bike ride. Nothing but sunshine. I could go anywhere. 

Intro: You are listening to the Dialed Podcast with Matt Grand. 

Intro (2): So Ian Gibson, 

Intro: Lance Haer, and Jake Von. It's a spicy one. Hot 

Intro (2): garbage.

Oh, heat was hot. Going on a bike ride.

EPO Chain Mail: Yep. No doubt about it. We are the a-hole. 

Jake: Hi, and welcome back to the Dialed Podcast. I'm Jake von Duering and appearance. Lance Freakin’ Heppler.  

Lance: What's up  mother Scratchers. Pg. Oh, I said Mother scratcher. Yeah. PG Case. Lance Fricking 

Matt: Heppler. Hello. It's fricking PG Heppler. PG baby. Gotta love that. Um, let's see here.

Jake: Let's go across the table. Let's mix it up a little bit. Mix it up. The one and only Matt LeGrand. What's 

Matt: up ladies and gentlemen of the internet? You guys look distressed. You're so distressed. And you, 

Lance: I'm not stressed at all. What you talking about? You, you 

Matt: look distressed. I 

Lance: feel great. You are distressed.

You're looking in the mirror, buddy. 

Matt: Moving along to my left. Yeah, 

Jake: I I'm cycling through things here. Uh, 

Matt: to, to Matt's left. Sir Ian Gibson. Now I feel better. 

Ian: I'm distressed. I got relegated to fourth place. What? Hey, hope. How you sweet? 

Jake: Alright. It's another week. It's another backpedal. Matt, you and I had like some crazy busy weeks.

Um, let's get us outta the way. Why don't you get us started bud? Sure. 

Matt: I'm still on my tiled 100 thing. Can someone tell us where we are? 

Lance: 90 today? 

Matt: 90. [00:02:00] Oh, I thought we were into the nineties. 

Lance: Okay, 

Matt: good. 91. 90. 90 ish. Or 

Lance: 90 ish. 

Matt: 90 ish. Couple more to go. We're getting there. Sweet. And is 

Ian: that, is that the end of your season then when you hit a hundred?

Yep. Yep. That's it. That's it. Done. Hang 

Matt: up your bike. That's it. Yep. Sell the bike at that point. Um, anyone wants a sweaty bike seat? Uh, yeah. Then uh, I swam with the legendary Evan Price on. Sunday. It was great. Cool. Yeah, it was fun. I haven't seen that guy in a long time. And Ethan came and swam with, uh, those guys too, inside or outside?

We were inside on the inside pool at, um, whatever it is. Golds? No, the, uh, cascade. Cascade. There you go. Yeah. It's a good pool. Ethan can crush those guys. He was doing backstroke with them when they were like pushing hard. I was on the opposite side of the spectrum. I was like, all right, you guys are doing two hundreds.

I'll do one fifties and I can stay on your set and it'll be fine. So we all swam together. It was fun. 

Jake: So Ethan was really putting it to [00:03:00] him, huh? 

Matt: Oh, I mean, he's just strong. He's just faster than they are. Like it's, it's because he's 14 and you know, like, you know, same thing with cycling, right? Sure. Like you have these kids and you're like, oh, okay.

And if, if you took a kid that's that age and you were like, you're gonna bike three hours a day or whatever, I mean, they'd be insane. Right? Right. It's like, same for swimming. Like he's just, they move through the water slightly differently. And, um, and yeah, so he can, and, and backstroke is kind of his thing, so he can mix in some backstroke and the workout was basically like 10 times 200.

There's like a little preset before that, but it was a, it was a tough set. I was struggling because I've not been swimming enough. Um, and then I've been doing some running and the rest of my cycling is just sitting on Zift in some sort of like group ride thing and watching some crappy show. So, good job.

Way to go. 

Lance: Are those triathletes, are they, are they prepping for Oceanside? Is that coming up? 

Matt: Oceanside? Um, Evan's doing Oceanside. Yeah. And um, that is, I think it's like [00:04:00] next weekend, next week or something. It's close. Yeah. Yeah, it's coming up soon. It's sometime in the next two weeks I think. I don't know.

So we'll see how he does. He's dealing with this like, um, another hip issue. So, and it doesn't sound that great to me. I mean, he always kinda spins it and it's like, I'll probably be fine. I'll probably be fine, but I'm getting an MR mri. Like, dude, you're, that's not okay. He's broken. But, um, I worry that, you know, he, he at least says like, well, I can get into the run and drop out, but like, he also doesn't like his brain's like, just turns off that kind of stuff.

Like he's the kinda guy that'll run through pain and then not be able to walk after for a long time. Right. So he tore his labrum on his left hip and now his right hip is hurting. So I'm just a little bit concerned about like, him going and, and racing and trying to race through pain. So, 

Ian: sounds like somebody else I know.

Yeah. Freaking, yeah. 

Matt: Your back thing was probably maybe not the smartest decision you've ever made. 

Lance: I raced twice on a weekend where I, a broken back should've done nothing. 

Matt: Yes. Yeah. Brilliant. Brilliant. Lovely. [00:05:00] So that's my backpedal. All right. Moving right along. The spirit 

Jake: of keeping this thing moving right along.

I, uh, rode on Swift and I did some cross training in the yard doing yard work. All right. Good times. How? How's the 

Matt: yard work? It's good. Is it like the first time that you mowed in a while because it, it's, uh, 

Jake: yeah, it, it's very early. I usually don't get into that until like late April. It's like a full, like month early.

Matt: We are, I'm overdue for mowing at my house. I've got some, some great looking grass. Yeah, it's thick. 

Ian: Did you keep the mowing to zone two? 

Jake: I did, I did. It was good. Zone two paste. So yeah, 

Ian: actually space mowing season, I'm trying to space mowing, mowing. Trying to 

Jake: be a little bit smarter about it too. Instead of going out there and doing like a four hour session, I'm trying to break it up into like two like hour and a half to two hour sessions so I don't kill myself.

What was it last 

Matt: year you were going like berserko or maybe, yeah, we had a lot 

Jake: of stuff going on. We had like a big party-ish thing going on at the house for graduation for my daughter and I just wanted to get it all done looking nice for her and yeah, it just, it about broke me but um, two things a little bit different this year, so Got pace stuff man.

You need to build into it. Still have not written outside, but I'm trying to make that change this week, so. Okay. Yeah, [00:06:00] lemme know. Cool How out there with you that's promising Gibo, 

Ian: I went bicycle racing again this week. Yes. Face PIs, me and Lance freaking Heppler and a bunch of people from our dial cycling team.

So it was, you had like 12 

Lance: or 13 that came out and raced. It was great. I mean, 

Jake: real quick. So you guys did the Rowena. Rube Rube. Okay. And was that on the same day as the Mason Lakes race, or was this weekend? No, Mason Lakes was 

Lance: Saturday. Rowina Rube was Sunday. 

Jake: Do you think that those things kind of took away from each other?

Lance: Uh uh, maybe a little bit. Yeah. But, um, most of the, most of the Oregon racers stayed and did Rowena Uhhuh, and there was maybe 10 people that did both races, but not many did both races. Yeah. 

Jake: I just sometimes wonder why Oprah? Yeah. I'm trying to fit things in. You guys 

Ian: are totally hijacking my backpack. Yes, we are.

Lance: Ian, go 

Jake: take a nap somewhere. Hey, we're just setting stage for you buddy. 

Ian: Jake's just about to have another dis on Oprah and I'm just jumping straight in. [00:07:00] 

Jake: Oh, was that not the state championship road race? Yes, it was. Hey, way to go. Obra. First Road Race of the Year. 

Lance: First road Race of the year. State championships.

State 

Jake: Championships, 

Ian: yeah. And I don't know, I think maybe they did it to help these guys along with their numbers. I, I have no, I'm not privy to that, but definitely having it as a state championships did boost the numbers, I feel. Sure. Um, the race was split up into, so in the morning it was the non championship events.

Yes. And in the afternoon, the longer races counted towards the, the jerseys. So I, I think it did actually help with the, this brand new event, having it, having that championship. That's not new. 

Jake: I mean, they, they resurrection it. Did they use the same course for the most part? Exact same course. Okay. No, it's a 

Ian: different, as I found out, 

Jake: close enough though.

Yeah. 

Lance: Ian tried to turn two blocks earlier when we got to motion. That's a different story, but Yeah. Um, almost exactly the same course. So the old course and promoter was put on by Chad Sperry Breakaway. Yep. Yep. Breakaway [00:08:00] promotions. Um, that race went away in like 2018. 18. 

Jake: 17. 

Lance: 17. Yeah. So it's been almost a decade since that.

It's been eight years since that race has run. And, um, a, a local, uh. Race team decided they wanted to resurrect it and so got the permits and Team Morgan. Right. Team Morgan. Good job guys. Yeah, it 

Ian: was, I mean, it, it is a big production to, uh, that those roads out there, they're beautiful roads, beautiful scenery.

It's a great location, but Oh 

Jake: yeah. 

Ian: Logistically it's not the easiest race to put on for your first race. And this guys did a bang up job. It was amazing. Well, they did the, 

Jake: the banana belt too a couple years ago. Yep. 

Ian: But Banana Belt is, well, banana Belt is, is more, um, circuit race. It, it's easier. Yeah. It's a big logistic.

A big loop. Yep. But, uh, this, you know, they had, they needed a lot of flaggers, uh, a lot of, you know, traffic control. Sure. And, uh, anyway, 

Jake: well, they're a team that's been around for a long time. They've got a lot of people that've been racing for many, many years. So they can draw upon of a lot of experience, I'm sure.

Yeah. Yeah. Good on him. 

Ian: [00:09:00] But yeah, it was good. Um, I decided not to do the longer championship race. Um, I was kind of torn about it, but in the end, I think it was the best decision I got to race with my teammates. It was me and Lance, and Gary, Gary Cornelis, 

Lance: Tom Tom Counts. 

Ian: Who else was 

Lance: in our race? Like John Hatfield?

Hatfield? Chris Han, 

Outro: yeah. 

Lance: Chris, the new guy. Chris Le Lebinski. Oh my gosh. I'm gonna Cliff. Cliff. Thank you. Cliff. Yeah. Cliff was there. 

Ian: So, so it was good. It, it was good to, to do that. And, um, I, I was gonna get my ass kicked in the longer race anyway, because I'm not a climber and it's really a climber's race.

Sure. And the afternoon race was three laps as opposed to hour one. So it was, it was relatively short. Yeah. Like a 32 mile race 

Jake: that is a little on the short side, but it also makes it be kind of fun. 

Ian: Yeah. So you make up for the shortness by going more intensely. 

Lance: Yeah, exactly. I guess. So tell me how it played out for you, Ian.

Ian: Um, just [00:10:00] as I feared, I got Gap going up, rowing a Crest, which was the first climb. It's like a 10 minute effort. Um, I watched the lead group go away. I was in Heart Pursuit. Uh, then Mike had a big brain fart going down the hill into Mosier and just like we did eight years ago, I turned left into the town and I'm like, wait, this is not right.

Nobody else was following me. Actually. Can't teach an 

Lance: old dog new tricks, huh? Yeah. So yeah, three guys in your group followed you. 

Ian: I went the wrong way, and then I stopped, and as I stopped, my chain dropped off. 

Lance: Oh. 

Ian: And then I started getting all Tourettes because I was pissed off that my race had just gone away, 

Matt (2): not pg.

Uh, that's funny. And 

Ian: so I spent the next 10 minutes, uh, above threshold trying to get back on, fueled by frustration and anguish. 

Matt: The chain drop wasn't a big deal. Was you able to get, it wasn't like stuck or anything? 

Ian: No. It, it took a lot of time. Yeah. I mean, no, it wasn't stuck. No. 

Matt: Okay. 

Ian: Anyway, [00:11:00] uh, unbeknownst to me, uh, Lance was in the group ahead of me and he kind of controlled the pace a little bit and I was able to, you ra 

Lance: you radio, get back on radio, radio up to him.

No. I just knew that Ian and Tom weren't there. Yeah. And if I set a tempo pace that Ian and Tom could catch us. So I sat on the front. Nobody went around me in our little group for like the next 10 minutes. Slow. Tom Co. You were 

Matt: like, Watts came down, Lee it up. 

Jake: Yep. That's cool. Did you put on a little bit of a show though?

A little bit of extra heppler breathing. 

Lance: I, I don't have to fake that. I'm gonna be heaving anyway. So you could have 

Jake: thrown down some like zone four key wheezing. I could have to match the zone two. If people were trying to path, 

Matt: you should have swerved at him, swerve at him. 

Ian: The climb, it's like a six mile climb and um mm-hmm.

The first half of it is on pavement and then it goes into gravel road. So I managed to gear back on after a mile or so. Hmm. And we just traded off, um, pools going up the gravel. It was, and that's why it's called the ru [00:12:00] ru bay, I guess. Mm-hmm. Because it's got sections of off road. Although it, it wasn't hard gravel, it was just, yeah.

Yeah. And then that turned into a screaming descent and then some, some rollers. Um, we, unfortunately, I think we lost Tom on the last roller. Right. 

Lance: Right before the descent and then did by myself, but yeah. But 

Ian: it did with a group of five or six of us go screaming down the Rowena curves. That was the best part of the race.

Oh yeah. 

Lance: There's good video of it on my YouTube channel. Yes. Yeah. 

Ian: And then the last three or four, uh, miles into town and, uh, a little bit of a sprint at the end, like for a 17th place or something. So it was good. It was a good race. It a fun day. 

Jake: Cool. Yeah. What did your numbers look like? Did you have, uh.

Ian: My numbers look ridiculously good. I, I probably need to calibrate my power meter. My normalized was over 300 for the day. Oh, wow. 

Jake: What power meter are you running? 

Ian: Um, stages. Gotcha. Crank based one. 

Jake: Gotcha. 

Ian: But I don't know, I mean, does [00:13:00] stages 

Matt: exist anymore? I've heard my, um, bought out by Giant if I'm not, I've heard my 

Ian: Garmin rally pedals at the gravel race two weeks ago, and I kind of got similar comparable stuff, so I don't know.

There you go. No, I was happy with it. I, I, I, I still feel I'm carrying some fitness from, from camp and the, and all the rainy racing. Tenerif and Arizona. Yeah. Yeah. My CTL is still up a hundred right now from, from that. So yeah, it was good fun. Um, pretty happy with the performance and um, yeah. 

Lance: How about you?

He, Ian, ended up second. He's trying to be, uh, nice about it. Our teammate, Kurt Crico, ended up staying with the front group and won the 60 race. Good job. Kurt. Ian was second corn. Uh, Gary Cornelius, our other teammate was third. So podium sweep. So they had a podium sweep in Oh yeah. 60 race. Yeah. Uh, the 50 plus race.

Um, Chris Nel won. He, um, so the whole race, so for me, the whole race started together. I knew [00:14:00] at this, this three mile climb to begin up Rowena Crest that I would not be able to stay with these little guys. So I hung on as long as I could. I hung on for seven minutes. Good. Good. You had a good seven minutes.

It, it was a 11 minute climb for me and those guys all did it in 10 minutes. Okay. So, so I just didn't quite, how do your numbers look for that seven minutes? Yeah, they were good. They were like three 20, dude. Yeah. So I was, I was fine. That's impressive. But, um, got to the top and Ian's group had gapped me by about 30 seconds.

So Ian was ahead of me in a group of five. Okay. So him and a group of five were cruising down to Mosier, which was seven miles rolling downhill. Um, did you catch up on the downhill? I, I was with Tom Counts. We traded for a couple miles and then I lost him on a roller and then I put my head down and drilled it to try to catch Ian's group.

'cause I knew I wanted to do the, that's hard climb with Ian's group and I caught them just as Ian took a wrong turn. [00:15:00] Did you yell? Yes, 

Matt: I 

Ian: yelled. Everybody was yelling. Did everybody was did you have 

Matt: on your cycling, did you have directions on the cycling computer? I can't 

Ian: see my cycling computer. And then my 

Matt: good, he needs the wahoo ace.

Intro: I know. 

Lance: So I caught on and Gary knew I was coming 'cause he was peeking back and he's like, oh, heckler's catching us. Which was great because, which was all I wanted to do. But you, Gary and one other guy, I think his name was Greg, all took the left turn two blocks early as I'm screaming. No, 

Ian: go straight. Go straight.

What, what 

Lance: computer do you have by the way? I. 

Ian: Uh, gum and five 30. 

Lance: You don't even have your map up though. He just has his, his WA rate. Just Watson and stuff. Yeah. Mapping 

Matt: might've helped. 

Ian: I have my WATS in large font, so I can see that's what, that's what I do is like, if there's 

Matt: like, I, like if I'm focused, then one of the reasons I like the Wahoo is like you can focus on one number and then dial in if you need to see some more stuff.

Yes. But like, when you're in a race, you kinda wanna just focus on what you wanna focus on. 

Lance: When I race, I keep my map of the course up. Yeah. And at the top I have heart [00:16:00] rate and power. That's it. 

Ian: Uh, to be fair though, they, there, there were als where I should have turned. There were not Als where I did turn.

So yeah. What was I thinking? I don't know. I, I did kind of see people at that junction. They appeared to be yelling and pointing. So when you're 

Matt: confident that you're going the right, like, 'cause sometimes it's just like, you know the course, you know, and if it's a previous course, whatever, you're like, you're confident, like this is where I'm going.

You, you kind of almost start to think about like, I'm gonna take this turn, like all the things and you're, yes, yes, yes. You just roll. Um, but how much time do you think that costs you? 

Ian: Um, it, well, in the end it didn't, it probably didn't make any difference because I did catch the mat. Right. We caught the ground, but I did, I burn quite a few masses trying to get back on.

I was curious. Two minutes? No. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Two minutes probably. I don't know. 

Matt: Yeah, yeah. Okay. Anyway, where were you? It's one of those things where you think like, okay, the extra weight of the wahoo ace would have not mattered. The weight would not have mattered to the amount of effort that it took to get back on course.

Yeah. 

Lance: So, yeah. So [00:17:00] I, I knew that I had just skipped you guys 'cause I finally caught you, but I was there with, with one other guy and, uh, Gary was able to catch us pretty quickly. I think he, he recovered faster and you had to drop chain, so it took a minute. Yeah. So, um, we get to the bottom of that six mile climb and I just went to the front, like I already said, and just kind of sent tempo pace until these guys caught us and once they finally caught us.

Fantastic. What's 

Matt: tempo pace? Just like you hit like 280. Two 80. Okay. Yeah, that's pretty solid still. Like 

Lance: 2 80, 2 90. I was trying to sit right around there. Yeah, that's, that's so fast. I thought, I thought this was a 25 minute climb for us. Oh yeah. Our group was, it was like a 25 minute climb. The handle did it in 21 minutes, like four minutes faster as a beast.

And, and the P one twos, uh, did it in like 20 minutes and a couple of 'em did it in 19. So they're way faster than we were, but. We were cruising up this climb, we all got together and my, my intention when we got to the top was to try to put a little bit [00:18:00] of a gap in. Yeah. Um, on, there's one screaming downhill before a hard right turn.

And, uh, we just, we were too close together, so I just couldn't, I couldn't get away from everybody. And one of the guys we were with could descend very well. Jason Whittington, who he, he could descend really well. So I'm like, okay, fantastic. All right, that's good. It's good to have someone to work with. So we get back on the road and it's five or six miles of rolling, uh, terrain before we hit the top of Rowena climb, where we're gonna drop back down this climb that we came up and we lost Tom on one roller on one of those.

And we get to the right, the descent and I thought, okay, let's rip down this descent kind of as fast as we can. And Jason Whittington, this other guy with us, he was in the 40 fields who wasn't even in our race. But that boy could descend. So it was, he tried to drop us right there, but 

Ian: he didn't know who he was up against.[00:19:00] 

Lance: You're not, you're not gonna drop me. It's gonna be hard to drop me on a descend on descent. Yeah. And so I just kind of basically sat on his wheel and let him do all the turns, do all the turns, and really, really, like were, was tapping my brakes. Most of the descent just on his wheel. And even with him like drilling it, like the five of us still had one of the fastest des descends of the day amongst all the racers, including all the P one twos and everybody else.

So it was kind of funny. What's the total distance of the race? Our race was only 32 miles. Oh, okay. But 2,700 feet of climbing, so a lot of climbing in like, you know, an hour and a half long race. So that was kind of it. Um, that descent. Um. I kind of had a thought that I could probably make a move there and get away from everybody.

Matt: Yeah. 

Lance: But at the same time, my thought was, what's the point in getting a 10 or a 15 second gap at the bottom of this? And then having four miles of flat 

Intro: into a headwind, into 

Lance: a headwind that I'd be doing by [00:20:00] myself for what I was thinking was gonna be like 10th place mid-pack. 'cause I knew there was at least 10 guys in my age group up the road.

And so I decided, no, I'm not gonna drop these guys. I'm gonna stay here. And just honestly, my thought was, I'm gonna stay here and lead out Ian. 

Intro: Yeah, 

Lance: I'm just gonna work for Ian on the, because I don't care if these other guys are 40 or 50. My placing doesn't matter at this point. I'm just gonna be here and try to help Ian as much as I can.

So we get to the bottom. We all kind of traded polls for about the first two miles and then nobody wanted to go through. And I'm like, okay. And I even said it. I said, look, I'm gonna go to the front and then I'll 

Matt: drill it for a while. I'll 

Lance: drill it for all the way as, as far as I can. Then you guys can sprint it out, sprint it out.

Matt: And 

Lance: so 

Matt: all I ask is that you slap my ass on the way by. 

Lance: Yes. 

Matt: And gimme a push. A little push. 

Lance: Yeah. So I pulled for like 5K at the end. And it wasn't fast, but it was, it was [00:21:00] steady. It was fast enough that that nobody else caught us. We actually caught a couple other people. And, uh, and nobody else and nobody else could catch us.

And so once we hit 200 k, these guys sprinted it out. And of course, Ian beat everybody. I'm like, 

Ian: yeah, he, I'm like, pav, Pavlov's dog. Right? When I see 200 meters to go, I gotta get up out the saddle and, and go for it. Yes. 

Jake: Yeah. It's just 

Ian: an automatic reaction. 

Jake: Put a bike bill on your bike next time. First, it doesn't matter if I was ding 

Ian: ding sprinting for 17th, please.

Lance: If I had the wahoo ace, it has a bell on it. Oh, there you go bell. 

Ian: Actually I was sprinting for second place. I guess you 

Lance: were sprinting for second place, 

Ian: but I'd forgotten about Kurt to be honest. 

Lance: Yeah. 'cause he was, yeah. Excuse 22 minutes in. So, um. Anyway, I ended up like 13th in my field, but Ian was second.

Kurt won and Gary, our other teammate was third. It was great. I had a great time. Nice. My [00:22:00] video turned out fantastic. Lemme 

Ian: just say on that one, just while we're talking about old geezers, there was SI 21 of us guys over 60 years old in that. Class in that, in that race, 

Jake: pretty, you know what's funny too?

Too cool? Because somebody from the outside who's not a cyclist Yeah. Hears about, oh, these 60-year-old. 60-year-old riders out there racing their bikes. They have no freaking idea. These guys are not your mere mortals. They're not your typical average six year, year old. Yeah, that's so true. They're 

Ian: still hard to keep up with.

Ladies and gentlemen. They are fast. Well, the, the faster 60 year olds like, um, Matt, they were in the af they didn't even race with this. There was another five or six guys that raced in the afternoon. So the turnout for. Old geezers was pretty good. Yeah, was pretty good. 

Jake: Said it a million times. It's just a testament to the sport.

Yeah. It's, um, something that if you do it consistently Yeah. Whether you're competitive or not, it's gonna keep you young and it's gonna keep you fit. And if you want to go fast, you can still go pretty damn fast. 

Ian: Yeah. That it is cool. I mean, it's like, it's a relatively low impact thing, so it's [00:23:00] something you can keep doing until your older age.

Jake: Yeah. It's cool to watch you do it. 'cause I know that I can do this for like another 30 years. Right, right. Yeah. With 10 you who, 

Lance: anyway, it was a great day with all our teammates. We had a good, good time out there. The weather actually held off for us. We didn't get rained on until we started driving home, so it was kind of a beautiful day out there.

Yeah. So 

Ian: good. Yeah. Apparently the rain came down hard after, after the last race was finished, 

Lance: correct? Yeah. 

Ian: When they were packing away, so yeah. Good. 

Lance: Awesome. That's it. Okay. That's it, huh? Moving on. I don't talk about any of my other rides. I did a bunch of other rides. You can watch 'em on YouTube. 

Matt (2): Cool.

YouTube Champ Bailey. 

Lance: Oh, champ. Bailey 

Jake: Cycl. He's gonna drop some cycling news there. Champ Bailey, you wanna let us play a little bit longer so you can cue this up and get I'm ready. Lance, get out of a seat. Here we go. Alright, moving Champ Bailey here. Champ. Coming in hot. 

Lance: We have, we have the, so the, the Flanders Holy Week is about to start this week, so it's, there's big good classic monument racing [00:24:00] coming up.

We got Perry Rube this, this Sunday. No. Sunday we've got, we've got Tour of Flanders this Sunday per Rube, a week after that. And so this is the lead up to that. We had, um, 

Matt: who's racing the tour of Flanders? Do we know? 

Lance: Everybody? Everybody. Todd a, Todd a Matthew. Matthew. WI Peterson. Don't think 

Matt: this is the best race in the like, 'cause we we're always taught have this debate at the end of the classic classics.

Like, which classics is the best. It could always depend on like what the competition, who lines up and how, how everything like evolves. It's either 

Lance: Flanders or, or per rue. Those are the two big 

Matt: ones I know, but Yeah, but I'm, I meant more from like a compelling competition standpoint. 

Lance: So this last weekend there was the lead up race to this, just like the practice races, even though they're very big races on their own.

We had E three, uh, Saxo Bank Race. Is that what it's called? 

Ian: No, I'm trying to remember. E 

Lance: three Saxo Classic. I've got it all wrong. And then we also had the race that happened on Sunday, which was Gen, gen wel gum. Yeah. So, um, [00:25:00] E three. Um. Vanderpool just outclassed the whole field. He, yeah, he went to the front with like 30 Ks to go, I believe, and he rode everybody off his wheel on one climb and just rode away from him.

But he looks fantastic. Mm-hmm. At the moment. Very strong, easy win for him. I shouldn't say easy because he, but it was, he had 

Jake: a pretty big gap and I think he let it get down to as small as like 13 or 14 seconds. And when he sensed that, he just opened it up again and then there was like, it was over. I mean, you were not gonna reel him back in at that point in time.

That's correct. It just 

Lance: made it easy. Yeah. So he ended up just going away, which was fantastic. He did not race. Gant Wel Gumm. Um, he, uh, Vanderpool sat out from that. But um, we had a similar performance from Mads Peterson. Yeah, Mads Peterson was, yeah. He went with like rock solid 60 

Ian: to go, didn't 

Lance: he? He went with like 60 K to go.

His, that was not his intention. I heard a couple interviews afterwards that that wasn't his intention was to go that [00:26:00] early, but he ended up with a gap with 60 meters to go. And he's like, well, what the hell do I do now? I guess I just keep going. Yeah. Do you sit up and wait for the, you know, other sprinters to catch you?

And so he decided to just keep pushing and he was in a really good situation because his, his main competitor behind him, who was his main competitor, it was, um. It was, uh, the UA kid that, 

Ian: well, one of them would be, um, Phillipson ao. Was it ao? Not 

Lance: Phillipson. Not Ayuso. He was the tour of Cata Catalonia. Is that what it was?

Tim Mele and Alexander Christophe. Those are two guys that they were worried about Sprinter. Yeah. But, but Ma Mad Peterson had his sprinter mul, um, what is his name? Jonathan Milan, who's super fast in the group. Right behind him. Yeah. So he, they like Jonathan Milan was in a great position. Position, yeah.

Team Trek was in a great position. If Mads wins, fantastic. They win. If they get caught. Jonathan Mul lawn's gonna outs sprint, everybody. [00:27:00] Yeah. So anyway, Matt Peterson ended up winning by almost a minute, like, like 50 full seconds. It was a strong show. 

Ian: Yeah. Show of force. Yeah, he did well, he a stud. 

Lance: So that was exciting racing to watch and that just sets up what's gonna happen at Tour of Flanders and, and um, at Perry Bay.

Those could be fantastic. What I don't know is if Evan Pool is coming to those races or not. I don't believe 

Jake: so. 

Lance: He's still recovering from that. He had a, that shoulder blade bit of a nasty accident and so I don't think he's quite ready to be back yet. But Tour Flander should be fantastic with mm-hmm.

With Vanderpool and Wow. And with. With, um, Todd Pcha. Mm-hmm. I mean, there's, there's gonna be some fireworks there. There's a few 

Jake: names that are gonna be looking good. Uh, big question though, like, Jamma Vima, not Jamma, Vima Vima, Lisa Bike. Yeah, they've got W in there, but I, I still don't see like that sparkle in him right now.

I kind of think that they're gonna probably support somebody else and he'll be in there to do work for him. Gigg, Jorgenson, Jorgenson. So, [00:28:00] yeah. And he's looking pretty solid right now. He's looking pretty 

Lance: solid. He was in the second group at, uh, at this last race too. So, 

Jake: and another person that is getting kind of hungry and looking kind of good just on the outside would be like, uh, Michael Woods.

Sure. He's been, he's a guy out as well, guy. So, I mean, there's a bunch of guys that are gonna be pretty fricking solid, so this should be a good race. But again, it's probably gonna boil down to two people. Dinner, 

Lance: pool, 

Jake: or, or po. Gotcha. Which one are you taking? And if it's not those two guys, who do you think it would be?

Lance: It's funny, it's one of those two guys. It's gonna be one of those two guys. I mean, 

Jake: unless I can't see a reasonable situation where Jorgenson gets into a break and those guys don't answer, 

Lance: there's no way they're gonna let Jorgenson get into a break. 

Ian: No, I don't. I think if it's not VanderPol or bogey, um, it's because one of them crashed, had a mechanical or something.

You know, if the weather's not good and those cobbles are slippery, anything can happen. So that's, but otherwise, those, those two are, [00:29:00] are so far ahead of everybody else. 

Jake: Yeah. Who, who are you gonna pick out of those two? 

Ian: I would pick VanderPol, 

Jake: like, okay. You think Pcia this 

Lance: time? Yep. A little bit more 

Jake: climbing.

Lance: Yep. Yeah, because there's more climbing and more harder climbs near the end of the race, which was very different than Mil San Rmo. It was 

Ian: that very short, very steep climbs and, and P hasn't 

Lance: shown that he can, he can power up those things as quick as Vanderpool can. 

Ian: Mm. I don't know. I just see Vanderpool as a bigger, more powerful, punchy rider.

Jake: Yeah. Bet you Matt. What, who are you taking watch Race Pocho Figure Poey. Yeah, I think so. I think Poey as well, just because he's, um, I don't think he liked losing to VanderPol. I don't think he liked that at all. And I don't think he liked, uh, I don't know, people saying that he kinda screwed up or he played it wrong or all that kinda stuff.

He's a good guy, but you can see that he's a fierce competitor and I don't think that's gonna set right with him. And I think that's gonna fuel him just that little bit extra bit. Van Pool's 

Ian: basically on his home turf that, that corner of Europe, that's where he grew [00:30:00] up and his, with his bike handling skills, and he lives there 

Lance: too.

Ian: Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. We'll see. Huh. 

Lance: Cool. It'll be fun and it's gonna be fun to watch. It should be fun. The other big race that happened, the seven day stage race, the VoLTE Catalonia in the Barcelona area, that was very exciting racing as well. Um, we, they had a, they had a very weird shortened stage. I don't know if you guys saw this.

Yeah. So it was supposed to be like the queen stage of the whole race with all the major climbs, and there were like a hundred kilometer per hour winds at the top. So initially they canceled the stage and then the rider said, no, don't cancel the whole stage. And so they all got together and then they, they started neutral riding, but they hadn't announced if there was gonna be an actual stage or where the finish was gonna be.

And so they just kind of kept riding behind the neutral car. And then all of a sudden the car said, okay, go. It's gonna be a 28 kilometer race. It was like a whole freaking zoo. 

Intro: Mm-hmm. 

Lance: Of them trying to figure out how we're gonna go. And they did a 28 kilometer race. I mean, what is that, like [00:31:00] 45 minutes or something?

I don't know. It was super short. But, uh, American Quinn Simmons ended up taking a flyer with 1500 meters to go. 

Jake: Dude, he's on point right now too. Did you see him in the post-race? Given the interview with that big old handlebar mustache thing going on and the long hair, he just looks like 

Lance: guy, a full Metallica mustache going on.

Andy has a full on mullet. He did 

Ian: look like Lenny from Metallica. That's right. 

Lance: Yes. So just fantastic. So really happy for Quin from Motorhead. I'm sorry, I was gonna correct 

Jake: you 

Lance: on that, but Motorhead, but really, really happy for Quinn Simmons. That's his first actual world tour victory. Correct. And so good on you.

Even though it was a really weird day and it was a shortened weird race, he still gets credit for a world tour win win. So another win for another American. Yeah. Gotta love it. Way to go Quinn Simmons. So pretty exciting. Um, the a. It ended up coming down to the last day for the, for the overall, and Juan Iuso from [00:32:00] UAE, um, he was kind of picked to win this race, but Primo Rgl did not want to let him win.

Mm-hmm. And know, and they both missed out on the big queen climbing stage. And so it came down to this like circuit race that they did around Barcelona and, um, Ritz was down by a second. He had to beat, he had to beat Juan AO by more than a second, or I think Juan Ao won some sprints, like bonus seconds too.

At some sprint. Yeah. And so he had to beat him by like four seconds to actually win the overall, and man, he just, he pulled it off. Yes, he did. He just pulled it off. He, he got away and he started drilling it, and he was off the front for like the last 15 K of the race. And Juano, he had his teammates, um, who's the one, the Yates brother.

Mm-hmm. And, and just drilling it, the front to try to bring Ulch back. Yeah. [00:33:00] And they just couldn't do it. Yeah. And so GL end up winning the, the stage by like 14 seconds and it was enough for him to win the whole stage. So it was pretty exciting. Broke him a little bit. Yep. Yeah. Cool. Pretty exciting. Anyway, so the racing was great.

The racing was fantastic. The, the Women's Gen Vel gum race was also fantastic. Uh, Lorena, Wes had her, um, hundredth World tour win at that race, and she was let out by, um, her world class teammate. It was just, it was all just fantastic racing. So good stuff. Job, everybody. Champ out. Champ out. Yeah. 

Outro: Oh, I did it with nothing but my own blood, sweat and tears and extra 

EPO Chain Mail: blood.

People don't. Yeah. You know, this is a sport with literally hundreds of dollars on the line and dozens of fans. That stakes are medium. Come on. How do you beat the man on drugs if you don on drugs? Wait, did you just admit to being on drugs? The [00:34:00] EPO chain mail. Send us a text with your questions, forward this podcast to 15 people and you'll lose 10 pounds overnight without even trying.

Yeah. You've got mail. 

Jake: No. Good. Yeah, we got mail. We got one male, one males. We got one males. And it's not even a question, it just was somebody reaching out and saying thank you for answering the team camp. Questions, um, that we talked about a few weeks ago, I must say your camp costs are a good deal. Yes, I would agree.

Good deal. Yeah. We're gonna do the same thing next year. Is that, is that the plan? 

Lance: Yeah, we're trying to do the same thing. I'm trying to nail down a date. I'm trying to get the house again for a certain date. Yeah. And, uh, and I still don't have confirmation because it's going to get harder to get that house, so.

Gotcha. 

Jake: Okay. So that was the only one, not a, not a busy week, but it also hasn't been a super long period of time since we last recorded. However, I wanna try and encourage people to send us, um, something, you just gotta push that little, like send us a text button on all the different podcast platforms.

How many messages to make, Lance? I don't [00:35:00] know. What do we, what do you make Lance? Do drink a cup of coffee? Um, I don't know. What is, what is it, what are we gonna do here now? I'm 

Lance: not drinking a cup of coffee. 

Jake: Okay. What are you gonna do? What am I gonna do? Yeah. If we get X amount of. Uh, EPO 

Lance: chain mails. Hey, listen, I get a lot of requests to show my ass at races.

No, because I've mentioned it so many times, so I won't show my ass. Oh, Jesus, there, please send emails. 

Jake: All right. No, seriously, is there some sort of wager that we can place here? Doesn't have to be Lance specific. If we get X number of, uh, may, maybe that can be 

Matt: one of the, if we get a set number of emails, we'll do a live show somewhere.

Ooh, that'd be fun. I, I love the live shows. So 

Jake: how many before we 

Matt (2): record next, next week, we'll say in a, like a one week 

Jake: time period. 

Matt: In a one week time period. If we can get ten five. Oh, I was gonna say maybe more than that. 

Matt (2): How many. 

Matt: Let's say 25. 

Matt (2): 25. Geez. I don't know if we've 

Jake: had that many in total. Maybe we, I know.

No, we have, we've definitely had [00:36:00] that many. But Umactually, send message, have 

Ian: dozens of fans. And the stakes are media. Exactly. Alright, 

Jake: let's do this, let's set it at 20. If we get 20 of those, uh, EPO chain mills, we'll, uh, schedule. We'll do a live show. We'll do a live show, schedule a live show. And then we'll, how about this?

We'll even do it live on the YouTubes. We'll, uh, do a live broadcast so that people can watch. That could be fun too. Yeah. So send us your questions, your feedback, your comments. Ooh. And save. Tell people that we don't wanna see Lance Save 

Matt: messages. For the live. 

Jake: There you go. Okay. 

Matt: All right. Oh, 

Jake: perfect. It came together.

It all just came together. Like it always does just, it just flows right. Anyway. That, that's gonna work. Uh, 'cause I know the people will come through. All, all five of our listeners will send us a bunch of questions each, and we'll be good to go. Cool. All right. Let's move on. Um, it's, uh, what day of the day of the month is it and what month?

April 1st. It's April. It's April 1st. And what month is it? April. April Fool's Day. We, you guys doing anything, getting any pranks out there? I usually 

Matt: do a April Fool's video, and I didn't do it this year because I didn't manage to put it out. Yeah, it's, it's hard, it's hard to make videos, right, Lance?

That's, it's, [00:37:00] well, anyway, somebody does it every day. I don't, I can't do one a month. I'm doing it 

Lance: like five 

Matt: times a week. It's too much. I 

Jake: don't know if we did this last month, so it's time to do this. 

Intro (2): That's hot. That's hot. That's hot. That's hot. That's hot. That's hot. That's hot. A little hot seat. That's hot.

That's hot. That's hot. This is hot. It's hot. That's hot. This is really 

Jake: hot. Who wants to go first? Matt, you had a good question. I think so. 

Matt: Okay. Well that's enough. You don't know what, see, the question is, it's a hots question. No one knows you. Question. So maybe it's a good question, maybe it's not. There you go.

Right? Sodium bicarbonate. Bicarb. Oh, have you guys tried it? Are you guys interested in trying it? Would you try it? 

Lance: You know, I, you see, you keep seeing these world tour riders, like at the start line with their little couple ware and their spoon and they're eating the gel. So I mean, that's the bicarb that they're eating, right?

Yes. So, so all these world tour teams are using it. Yep. 

Ian: Yeah, I've done that. It, it's tried. Mar Martin's, Martin's 

Matt: got a packet that they, 

Ian: they're like, it's like $70 for the kit or something. $70. 

Matt: And that's about for about four iterations. Yeah. You can use it for about four races [00:38:00] for 70 bucks. So 

Ian: I, I did it last season, just, I just bought it there once.

Yeah. And it was, I really had to. Think about which race I want, which race, wanted race or your top races invest in. Right. So, but it, it's really best for the shorter Right. Um, shorter efforts where you gotta put out a lot of power. Say like a five minute effort type thing. A five minute. Okay. I would say 'cause it, it buffers, supposedly buffers your, um.

Um, yep. 

Matt: The pH level of your blood pH level. Exactly. Yeah. 

Ian: So really when you're in a long race, if you're doing like a two or three hour race and right, the limit error right there is not acidity in the blood. It's more to do with, um, you know, your substrate, uh, you, you, how much carbohydrates you've got left or right.

Yeah. When you or the. Tiredness of your muscles, but at that point, that's not the limit. But 

Matt: I, a lot of these pros are getting, I wonder if they're doing it because they know that there's gonna be some sort of five minute effort and they do it on the starting line knowing full well that you're supposed to [00:39:00] take this somewhere between an hour and two hours before you're do this, this five minute effort.

Yeah. So I'm wondering if they're like, Hey, at the end of this three hour day, I'm going to need a five minute effort. Or after about two hours or so of riding, I'm gonna need some sort of effort. Maybe, I dunno. Either 

Ian: that or the, the big fight to get into the, into the break. Yeah. Which is, you know, the most intense part of their race often.

Yeah, that's, but I did find it, it was pretty effective for sure. Really, 

Matt: you noticed? 

Ian: Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, definitely. Did notice if you were just, and it, so it comes in the, the gel is like this, it stops the bicarb from getting into your stomach somehow. Yes. So it doesn't upset your stomach. The, the, 

Matt: yeah.

It passes. You're basically, it's passing through your stomach and, and being the bicarb is more absorbed in your lower intestine. It's like these 

Ian: little white little peas, like little balls of bicarb. Okay. Suspended in this clear gel in the end. That's, you took, you mix it into that. Yeah. Yes. You, 

Lance: you would, you would it up or poo poo?

Yes. [00:40:00] It's okay. You're not, 

Matt: that's, that's another worst language we've had, had this podcast. That's what I'm doing wrong. No, um, because, but so this is like grocery store, you know, $1 baking soda. Right. That's been something that athletes have played around with for 40, 50 years. It's a 

Ian: topical stuff as well.

You can, I haven't tried, I don't think it's very effective, but, um, amp. 

Lance: The Amps performance gel. Oh yeah. Stuff you rubbed on your legs beforehand. I heard about that. It was really popular for like a, a year when they had, they had their moment announced. Well, like they were like, they were sponsoring like every podcast.

So everybody was talking about it and now they were, now I don't see it anymore. They're lighting money on fire is what they were doing. Yes. 

Matt: Now they ran outta money and that's that 

Ian: the reason I tried it, the um, marathon stuff. Mm-hmm. Uh, jumbo Viser at the time. Yeah. Lisa Bike. That was what all those guys were taking.

So I'm like, well they, I have a feeling that we're doing pretty good. I would think 

Matt: that all of them are doing it. I'm seeing it a lot [00:41:00] in running and track and field right now, which almost makes more sense, right. Because of a lot of the races are, you know, somewhere between, you know, four and 30 minutes or whatever.

So yeah, no race over 30 minutes for a lot of the track and field stuff. So it seems like it would fit that pretty well. What about like a, if you did like a five minute effort, how much do you think of an improvement you would see, like just wattage wise, would you like? 

Ian: It's hard to say really. 'cause it, it, it, a couple of watts supposedly delays that burn in your muscles, you know?

Yeah. Where your, where your blood is getting so acidic. So like if you were at a PIR and there was a super fast lap when you were trying to hang on maybe 5, 5, 6, 7 minutes, then I think it would help. Definitely. So, but then, but then, you know, then you're talking about 20 bucks for one race. Yes. $17 that, that doubles your entry fee.

Really, you're spending that much on a supplement. Right. 

Matt: Well, and you know, I'm like thinking about this more for like, you know, like you said, like you [00:42:00] buy it once at the beginning of the season and you pick the four races that you're mm-hmm. That you're looking at? Yeah. What about you, Lance? Would, is this something that you would try?

Lance: Yeah, I would try it, but it would be for something like a a, a crit or a Yeah. Or a circuit race or something like that. Um, I just, just never have. So 

Matt: you gonna try it? 

Lance: I may maybe if, uh, if Martin will sponsor me, I'd, yeah. They'll be happy. They're, 

Matt: they're, they're looking for someone looking for, they're looking for a 50 something idiot with the, he's 50 and he's an idiot.

But does he have a mustache? Okay, then we're in, then we're in send that guy gel him. We need that guy. 

Ian: I, I did just buy another mar product, which is their, uh, box of their gels. Yes. So they have these gels with 40 milligrams now of, of, uh, carbohydrate in them. Mm-hmm. So I'm, I'm kind of thinking that's probably good, like, that's also expensive.

Like two of those an hour. 

Matt: Yeah. 

Ian: Yeah. They're like five bucks each. 

Matt: Which is a lot for mean. Yeah, it's, it's what, five times? What most of the gels cost. 

Ian: Yeah, they're thick. But when I go out and do the gorge, the gorge gravel [00:43:00] grinder at the end of this month, now that's gonna be like three and a half hours.

I only need to take probably six of those. Yeah. To get my 80 grams an hour. That just, just take a cheeseburger, dude. Just got more 

Lance: calories and tastes better too. Cheeseburger. Have you, have you used those martin gels before? No. They're, they're thick. Yeah. So you won't water with them. Yeah. They're not like, like you can almost chew 'em.

Oh wow. It's not like the science of sport where you're like, they're flavorless though, right? As well. They're yeah. Quote unquote flavorless, but they're sweet, you know, because they're filled with carbohydrates. But, uh, but yeah, they have a weird consistency that, um, might throw you off the first time you use them.

Ian: I need to practice with them then. They're too 

Matt: expensive to practice. Too expensive to practice with. No, can't do that. What about you, Jake? Is this something that you would try? 

Jake: Sure. Why not? Okay. How are you gonna be a man on drugs when you're not on drugs? How you gonna be a man on drugs when you're not wait.

Can 

Lance: just admit to being on drugs? 

Jake: Uh, I wish. Maybe that's my problem. Anyw who? Uh, yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah. Lemme try anything once ish. 

Matt (2): Yeah. [00:44:00] So, all right. That's my Hotze question. Cool. Thanks Matt. Move right along. Gibo, you got a question for us? 

Ian: I got a question for you three. Um, what are you training for right now and how are you going about it?

What's your strategy? 

Matt: I'm training is hot. Repeat The 

Matt (2): LZ is hot. 

Jake: That 

Matt: was hot. I'm training to be the fattest man alive and I'm crushing it. I am crushing it right now. I, uh, I might do a, a triathlon come like May. I am just gonna see if it fits in with the family schedule stuff. Um, but I'm not doing a great job of like specific training for that event.

I think it's a sprint triathlon. Cool. Anyway, 

Ian: if, if you were to train for it. 

Matt: One thing that I talked, we talked about this just briefly, I would want to do some runs off the bike, and I could probably do that, like as we get closer to the race, as I'm like, oh yeah, I'm actually gonna do this thing then.

'cause I really do think for the listeners that are on this podcast that are looking for triathlon information, which I assume is 97% of you guys, uh, you do need to run off the bike because it's a weird feeling [00:45:00] in the, like, when you've been doing it f frequently like you've been a triathlete for a regular timeframe.

It's just not a big deal. But like, if you have had a couple years off like myself, then it's a, it's a pretty uncomfortable way to, to get out and do an effort. There's just a wobbly leg syndrome that just takes a little time. And when I was used to it, I, I would kinda have that wobbly leg syndrome, but like you were kind of numb to it and you would just, you could run pace that you were supposed to run.

It wasn't a big deal. Now, I think, I don't know, but I think it would be a little bit more substantial. It would slow me down more than it should. So, yeah, that's kind of the, the little piece of the puzzle that I would want throw into my training. I think. So a little bit of brick running. 

Jake: Sweet. Sounds good.

Are you're looking at me? Yeah. Are you ra Well, I, looking at you, you gonna do any racing? I, I, I do wanna race this year. I, I do have all intentions of doing that. I'm just, um, kind of training to build resistance and resilience to injury. 'cause that's been a, a bit of a problem for me over the past few years.

[00:46:00] Um, and I just wanna be able to get out there and be competitive for a long period of time. But my biggest challenge right now is the fact that I just have been so short on time. I mean, I've barely been able to come up for air just to like, respond to people or like, you know, cor you know, coordinate things with the team or just things like that.

However, I'm, I'm starting to see a, a big bright light at the end of the tunnel, which is fantastic. And while going through that whole process, I'm like, just get your hours in. Just try and pile up that Z two as much as you can where you can. It's hasn't been great the last like two, two and a half weeks, but it's still there.

It's still happening. I'm still feeling good on the bike for all intents and purposes, but I really need to transition to riding outside and then I really need to start sharpening things up and see where that goes. Yeah, not getting any younger, so I gotta make that happen. But yeah, that's about all I'm 

Lance: doing right now.

Ian: Yeah, 

Lance: I am, I'm training for mountain bike races, so I've got like six more mountain bike races on my schedule for the next, uh, two and a half months. And so I am desperately trying to, uh, rebuild my, my high-end power that you need in mountain bike [00:47:00] races for those short, quick, uh, hard efforts and then to be able to recover from those.

I, I lost quite a bit with this injury more than I want to admit, um, off the top end. Yeah. Yes. Off the top end. Yeah. I mean, clearly I tried to do that, that mountain bike race out in, in echo a week after that crash, and that was. It was stupid, really looking back on it, it was stupid. I was great for about 90 minutes and then I was complete disaster for another hour, and so that was probably not very good for me.

So I'm trying to rebuild those, those higher end efforts for that. And it's, it's really specifically around the mountain bike races. Mm-hmm. So all these other races that I'm doing, I'm doing like three other gravel races during that time. I'm doing like two other road races during that time. Those are just gravy.

I don't have like, goals really, per se at those races. I'm trying to do well on these mountain bike races and not embarrass [00:48:00] myself in the CAT one 50 plus field like I did at Echo. So I'm trying to, I'm trying to, uh, uh, redeem myself a little bit and raise the whole bit. How, how's your 

Ian: injury? Are you, are you all better now?

Lance: Um, yes. I still have, um, some inflammation in my back. The bruise is gone. I'll, I'll. Refrain from showing you guys, 

Matt: do you wanna go do a mountain bike workout with me? Sometime? I, I could, like on Round Lake I could do that because we could, like, I was just thinking about this. We could do like a little circuit and like do repeats, like do like a workout workout where you do like repeats on a circuit where you, and I definitely have like a different leave interval or whatever it is.

But we could go do a workout where you could actually work on some technical skills, but it would also be fairly aerobic or whatever it is where we, you know, like let's say you're doing a little loop that's a three to five minute loop or whatever. You might wanna do something like that. Like, I don't know, eight to 10 times or I would feel like that work, that would be super fun.

It'd be good. And it's different than your, I mean, if you wanna focus on mountain biking this season, [00:49:00] it'll be fun to be like, oh, here's this workout that we do once every other week, or something like that where it's like you do mountain bike, mountain bike skills stuff, right? But it's also aerobic enough that it's like, oh, this is, this is a workout.

It's an interval workout. 

Ian: I think this is the point I was trying to underscore right? That, 

Matt: oh, I see. One 

Ian: of the, the pillars of. Being an effective athlete is, is training specifically with specificity, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. To, especially right now, this time of the season, uh, right here in the Pacific Northwest, it is race season already.

So like what are, what are your events? So like with mountain biking That's right. It's, it is either completely off the power 

Lance: correct. 

Ian: Like on a technical descent, for example, or right on the power on a correct steep ascent or at the start of the race or trying to sprint into a single track section or something like that.

Right. Just 

Lance: very high, high intensity, yeah. Sections and then other, yeah. Times where you're, you're full, you're at zero watts, just [00:50:00] mm-hmm. Trying to rip down a trail and, and generally the mountain bike races I do, the climbs aren't more than about four minutes. So there's a, there's a few outliers that are like that, but most of these local races I'm doing, there isn't a climb that's more than like three or four minutes.

And so, right. I don't need to train my 10 minute power. I need to train my four minute power. Exactly. Yeah. So that's why I'm, I'm trying to, to up those little things like this, this morning I already did my workout for the day, um, because I'm gonna be busy the rest of the day. And this, we were trying to get this done and I did it on z wif because there was a Netflix thing I wanted to watch anyway, so, um, but I did like these one minute efforts at like four 80.

Ooh, that sounds, that sounds quite painful. It was. So, and it was, so I did 90 minutes of zone two. That's, that's impressive. And then, and then tried to do one minute. Okay. Let, how many, one minute, 90 minutes 

Ian: of zone two beforehand. 

Lance: 90 minutes of zone two beforehand on Zift. Okay. So 90 minutes at 200 watts.

And then I tried to do a. [00:51:00] Eight of these. One minute. 

Matt: How much recover 

Lance: between each? One minute. One minute. Okay. So that's insane. That's hard. One one minute at like four 70 and then one minute break at like two 20. That's harsh. I I didn't complete them. I didn't How many did you get through? I got through like six.

That's really good. But I had to skip like the second one in both sets. 

Matt: Okay. 

Lance: But, but that was the point. Still pretty good. I'm trying to do, I'm trying to 

Matt: do hard things. Yeah. 

Lance: Do these hard efforts because I lost all that top end after having this great winter training base in Arizona and then crashing and then like laying on the couch.

So, 

Ian: but that, that's a good workout. Um. Right now amongst the pro teams, this is a hot topic and how they go about assessing potential athletes is they measure, there's this new metric they're calling, um, durability. Yeah. And it's, they'll set these workouts where you do, um, [00:52:00] 2000 kilojoules of work, for example.

For example, like a 90, 90 minute zone two, zone three type of pace, and then go hard after that. So they were saying that a lot of people have got that ability to go hard on fresh legs. But the real winners, the guys that can make the decisive move, the guys that are in the decisive part of the race have durability so they can pull off those super high intensive intervals after prolonged, 

Matt: after prolonged.

Have we talked about this on the podcast? Because I feel like this, we were talking about how they were trying to figure out who, which world tour writers. Were, you know, the ones that, how do you separate world tour writers where the durability metric was like the one way where you could see like, oh, these guys are a step above the rest of the world.

Tour writers. Yeah. 'cause all of them can put out ridiculous numbers for a long period of time. It's like, who can put out ridiculous numbers at the end of a [00:53:00] ridiculous time? It's totally wild. That was exactly, yeah. 

Lance: Today, today's workout, if I'd done those sprints in the first 20 minutes, probably could have done all eight of 'em.

Okay. But I did 'em after 90 minutes of solid zone two. Yeah. But that's 

Ian: real world as well. I mean, it, that, that has relevance to our little races we do out here. Like, how much can you put down when you're already tired? I think that's a, that's, that's one thing that we should all strive to improve 

Lance: For sure.

Well, I would've liked to hear that when I was crying to myself when I failed seventh dinner fall today. 

Outro: I'm terrible at, you can try it again. Good at this. 

Matt: You can try it again. That's still, those are, those numbers are ridiculous. It was hard. Good job. 

Matt (2): Question. Yep. 

Ian: Yeah. 

Matt (2): Is 

Ian: that it? Well, we get, I, I'm just on my own thing.

I'm doing, um, banana belt road race. Oh yeah. Next weekend. Just a, it seems to me there's just this one hill and it's like a minute and a half that always gets kind of crazy. So I'm, I'm doing my weekly two minute vo two. Yeah. [00:54:00] Max intervals. It kind of, it, it does make a difference physiologically you can, you know, you're improving your VO two max abilities or that.

Duration of effort, but also the mental thing. You have confidence that you can pull out that power for that amount of time. Then you know you're not gonna sweat it about getting dropped in the race because you know you can do that. So it's a big, that's a big part of it. Good confidence booster. Yeah.

Plus 

Matt: your body knows how to hurt. There's a lot of little things that are very, very beneficial to doing workouts that are specific to the race you're gonna do. Definitely. Lance, are you, have you, you got a hot seat question or are we moving on to Jake? Who's, who's next? Lance is here. Lance Stern. Okay. 

Lance: My hot seat question was gonna be about tour of Flanders and Per rue and who your favorites were, and you guys fricking hijacked it.

Mm. Earlier today. 

Matt: Oopsie. Got any other, you got anything else? No. Jake, you got a hot question? You got no questions? Uh. 

Jake: Loser. 

Lance: Yeah, 

Jake: that, that, that's a good question. Got no durability. Dude, that is also true. You're lacking your durability. I, 

Lance: I failed [00:55:00] my workout today. 

Jake: All right. I got a question for you. Um, it, it, it kinda stems off a little conversation Ian and I were having right before we started the podcast.

Ian just sold his time trail bike. Oh, okay. It's happy day and a sad day. Yeah. You, you lose a bike. It's like an old friend, but it's going to a good home, a good person. That's true. So that's, that's good. Um, however, you're just kind of like of the mindset, like, I use that bike once a year. Why, why, why do I need to hold onto it?

So, um, my question is, should we encourage more people to do the same? Should we sell their encourage, get, get rid of their time, trial bikes and, oh, reason being is like, no, there's gonna be the triathlete contingent that's gonna like, really want to say no to that. And I get that. I really do because that, that, like, once you get to that, that stage of the race, that's what everybody's riding.

I mean, you're really not using a road bike at all. You're using the time travel bike and, 

Matt: and a lot of triathletes will train on their triathlon bikes. So for everybody 

Jake: who's not a triathlete, does it make sense in this day and age to have a TT bike? In some cases, yes. 'cause there are some stage races that have them, but it seems like [00:56:00] stage races are starting to go more the direction of like, this is gonna be an ET category.

'cause the numbers aren't all that great and they're thinking that that's gonna help promote more people to come out and bike race by saying, all right, we're just gonna have the time trials be on road bikes. Why not just. Have everybody do that. Like for us, the Michael Myers time trial that we just had, and we've put on for quite a few years in a row now, the biggest categories hands down are always the Eddie categories.

Yeah, 

Matt: yeah. But if you, I mean the, the more and more we just take away these race opportunities, these guys that really love time trialing, there's just no options for them. 

Jake: We can, but those fields are so stinking small. I mean, granted, it's at a time of the year where it, it could be very blustery outside, it could be whatever.

Yeah. You're still gonna get the pears and the hardcore people that love themselves some time try to come out. But you can still like have that same, 

Matt: it's also a really nice little avenue for taking like triathletes and being like, Hey, come bring your tri bike to this, you know? Time trial event. [00:57:00] Do something, do something different.

Jake: The thing that I was pitching to Ian though is like, why don't we kind of flip this though? We can still offer those categories. We can still have people come out and race, but let's try and like shrink them down and there's some logistical issues with that and, and really start to lean more into the ED categories just to get more people to come out.

And I've got, I've got way more reasons why we should do that as opposed to just keep it as it is. 

Matt: Well, I I, whether our opinions, we go around the table and we give our opinions. Sure. And those are important. However, you should probably be following the data, right. Like if the data saying like, not many people are coming out here to raise time, trial stuff then, and everyone's doing Eddie, like follow the data, right?

Sure. That's, you know, as a race director, you, you want to promote certain aspects of the sport. Sure. But you also need, you need to hit the bottom line. Mm-hmm. So, you know, bottom line is like, there's more people that wanna do this than that, then that's what you do. Sure. 

Ian: It's a strange concept when you think about it.

Uh, what is a time trial bike? Okay, so. It's aerodynamic it, you can, um, yep. You have an aerodynamic cockpit, so you are [00:58:00] steering your bike with your elbows, basically. Mm-hmm. But it's still restricted. You can't just bring a, uh Right. You can't bring a bike that's legal in a triathlon race to a, a Correct. A race that's to most races, to most races.

There's a, there's some slight difference in the rules. Yes. Yeah. Now where we're at. But what I'm, what I'm saying is ev every bike is gonna be a, a, a compromise. You know, you, you, you set the formula. Just like in motor racing, there's a, there's a certain dimensions and so on. You, you've gotta, you gotta abide by.

I mean, so a time trial bike is by definition stuck somewhere in the middle anyway. So 

Matt: do you feel like, um, someone shows up with a beam bike at, um, Mike Myers Memorial. Would you guys be like, sorry, go ride a different, you get to bring a different bike, like that's clearly illegal. I. On this time trial race?

No. 

Jake: Everybody that has any kind of bike, doesn't matter what the bike was, they, as long as it's not an e-bike, nobody's saying anything. The officials don't care. They're just happy to have, there can be an EBI out there where 

Matt: recumbent bikes are super fast, actually. But [00:59:00] 

Jake: in years past, we didn't have this issue years past, we have a recumbent category.

There was a guy that we did, we did. There was, did we have anybody do it? 

Ian: Yeah, one guy. Oh, 

Jake: okay. Good. 

Matt: Yeah. Is is it the same guy that's been doing it for a hundred years? Uh, 

Ian: Ron, somebody, and he, he, does he 

Matt: have like one of those like bullet recomp? There's one guy that like, and that thing absolutely flies.

Yeah. Yeah. It's probably like the fastest way to bike, right? Ron Stout. Yep. He's been doing it for a long time, since it was Jack Frost and all that stuff. I 

Ian: think, um, the arguments against time trialing bikes are. Quite persuasive really, because one, it's a big barrier for entry. 

Jake: Mm-hmm. Buying a 5,000 bike, buying a 

Ian: $5,000 bike that you, 

Jake: and that's getting off cheap too.

Unless you're buying a used, but anyway. 

Ian: And the equip and that you kind of need it if you wanna be competitive, if, if all your peers are riding expensive time travel bikes 

Intro: mm-hmm. 

Ian: And each, yep. Each wat you save by doing that, you know, you kind of have to do it. So it's unfair in a way. You could argue it for those without the means to [01:00:00] buy an expensive time travel bike.

Secondly, there's the whole, um, safety Yeah. Thing that people don't wanna be out on the open ride, open road riding, you know, steering their bike with their elbows, with their hands away from the brakes. It's not, it's not a safe and looking at their front tire because it's an 

Jake: awkward position to keep your head up.

Yeah. Yep. Um, there, there's a lot of things about the time trial bike that are great, but there's, in my opinion, there's even more that make it not great. And that's why I never bought one. I mean, I thought about it for a second. I'm like, I, I, I'm pretty decent at this time, trialing thing. Let's lean into it a little bit.

And I'm like, nah. And I just never wanted to pull the trigger for a lot of reasons in that how many times am I gonna use that a year? And 

Matt: now it's even like less of a option. Like, it's like less of a, you have zero motivation at this point, right? I mean, correct. Yeah. There's. Really one race that you would use it at?

Jake: Yeah, there's other time trials that get that land on the calendar and they'll, you know, be down the Corvallis area and that that's great. But if I'm gonna go down there, I'm just gonna earn the Eddy category. And for those that don't listen and the [01:01:00] Eddy category and a lot of people first talk about that, it's just riding on a traditional road bike with no arrow equipment.

Now, for a long time it was like no deep dish wheels, but now we've kind of like said, yeah, you can go up to 40 or 50 millimeters. 'cause that's just what a lot of bikes come with. And we we're not trying to get into a situation where like, oh, you can't come out and do that now you have to go out and buy another set of wheels and put that on your bike and spend more money.

Like we're, we're trying to make this as inclusive as possible. So yeah, if you've got one bike you can go do all of these races just fun. And if you really absolutely have to get into that category, be like Lance and just put some ArrowBar clip-ons on there and it's not gonna be as arrow as like your traditional TT bike, but it's still gonna work out really well.

And I've told the story about like racing against our own Chris Hael, Dr. Jojo Chaud Jr. And I didn't race against him, but he did the edit category in uh, um, the state championship time trials. And then I ended up going into the, the, you know, the traditional TT category and I put some arrow clip on bars on my road bike and he and I had very similar times and I was about two minutes faster than he was just [01:02:00] because of the position that I was in.

Yeah. So, I mean, you can still be damn fast, but there was a person that beat me that normally wouldn't beat me, but he beat me by, I dunno, 15 or 20 seconds because he was on a TT bike. Right. So that made that much of a difference. So there is a difference, but I don't know, 

Ian: I couldn't, I mean, I made the argument for.

Taking the TT bikes away, but really, I like it. I, I think you can geek out over the aerodynamics. It's kind of fun. Mm-hmm. To try to go as, as fast as you can, you know, and definitely the TT bike makes you go faster. Um, it's, it's a whole different discipline, you know, you know you're gonna put out a little bit less power in that position, but then you're gonna make up for it in, in getting smooth in the air.

Sure. And that's. That's just another, another aspect to cycling and it's like buying a gravel bike or a mountain bike. It's a, it's another discipline to get into. 

Jake: Yeah. 

Ian: It's kind of cool in a geeky kind of way. 

Jake: It is. Um, I agree. I, [01:03:00] I, yeah, I, bikes are cool in general, but I'm just, I'm kind of thinking of it from a perspective, I guess of just bike racing in general.

I think that it would be healthy for the sport if we Sure. Keep all of the TT categories 'cause they're people that have their TT bike there love it. There's gonna be people that wanna buy them that like to geek out over all that stuff. But I'm saying lean into the whole Eddie category a bit more and see how many more people you can come out to race bikes.

That's gotta be the most efficient way to lower that bar of entry or lower that barrier of entry so that people can feel comfortable trying something new and say, I want to race. I don't know about this crit racing or the road stuff. That all sounds hard. I'm gonna get dropped. Well just come out here and try this time trial.

And you know, for us, we offer race that's. Like bone flat. I mean, it's just like flat. Flat, like what? 50 feet of elevation gain over 12, 12 and a half miles. That's flat. So you don't have to worry about that, and it's just you against the clock. You don't have to worry about mixing it up with other people.

You go out there and you have a blast and like, okay, I kind of like that. Yeah, I got to see the people and the vibe. That's that gateway drug that people [01:04:00] are gonna use. So come out and start trying some other things and like, if you like that, well maybe you should come try this and if you like this, come try that.

You know, you can. And I do 

Ian: like that, that that's one of the things that we try to promote about. Sure. The time trial that we host is, is that it's non-intimidating. Mm-hmm. That it's something you can do if you've never pinned on a number before. You know, it's flat roads, there's no traffic. You don't have to, it's not like a road race where you feel you're gonna get dropped and mm-hmm.

You know, you just, you don't know until you cross the finish line how, how well you did. Yeah. And there's something pure, and like I said, non-intimidating about that. Yeah. And having, being able to do it on your regular road bike makes it even more so, I guess. Yeah. That's 

Jake: the race of truth too. Yeah. You'll get some decent numbers to work off of, so, 

Ian: but I, I'd still think it would be a shame to see TT bikes completely go away.

Lance: So Ian and I kind of experienced this shift in the industry in these two big, huge yeah. Road races that we did up in Arizona. Mm-hmm. This, uh, in, in January or February [01:05:00] where we did the Valley of the Sun Road race, which was in the Phoenix area and it was a three stage road race and it included a traditional time trial.

It was a 10 mile time trial that you were allowed to use time trial bikes at. Um, and that race had a thousand participants in it. The week after we did the race in Tucson, which is called the Tucson Bicycle Classic, another road race with a thousand people in it. But they also had a time trial, but it was Eddie Rules.

Yeah. You could not use a traditional time trial bike. And I, and I think their whole point, I think Tucson's whole point in going Eddie style was to lower that barrier of entry to let more people Sure do the race. And they still, maybe it was like 800 participants or something. It wasn't quite as big as value of the sun, but value the sun was huge for juniors.

So, um, so I don't know. You can see this big shift in these huge national level. You know, road stage races and one of them went Eddie style. Yeah. [01:06:00] And like you 

Jake: were able to make it work. You were able to borrow a bike from somebody. I, I borrowed a bike. Plus when you're going down there, if you didn't have a bike to borrow, you usually have a van that you can load up with a bunch of bikes.

But that's just gonna take up space for the average person though, trying to get down there to do a stage race. And if it was one of those situations, like you're gonna show up and you're gonna do great except for in that time trial because you don't have the right bike. Yeah. Yeah. And you're gonna automatically lose a bunch of time and you're not gonna be able to be competitive.

Well, you can 

Ian: have to fly across the country with two bikes. That's so. 

Lance: Ben Vander, Ben Vander Zand, and a local athlete. Yeah. He went down to Valley of the Sun and did that road race with a couple of his teammates, but he could only fly with one bike. So he only took his road bike. He didn't take a time trail bike, and he just knew that he would take the hit in the time trial because you're just not gonna go as fast.

And so he knew that he wasn't gonna be in it for the overall, because he was just gonna take the hit. Yeah. In the time trial. And then he's, you're there for the crit and the road race and the race. You never, you're never 

Ian: gonna make that time back up. 

Lance: No. 

Ian: No. You lose on the time trial. Yeah. 

Jake: [01:07:00] So what are they doing with Baker City?

Didn't they kind of do the same thing or was that where they said you're gonna do the ET category, you can race your TT bike, but you pay a two minute penalty or something like that? Didn't they penalize you if you're on a TT bike? 

Ian: Yes. So effectively it's an Ed Eddy class time trial because the penalty is too stiff.

If you do the math, you're not gonna, you're not gonna go that much faster. Mm-hmm. You're not gonna make up that two minutes on a time trial bike. You might make up a minute and a half of it, but, 

Outro: yeah. 

Ian: Um, so yeah, they've, they've gone the same way and the same arguments. Hold true, like, you've gotta get yourself to big city, which is in the, you know, the, it's, it's a what, four or five hour drive from, most met from here or Boise or, yeah, it's in the middle of nowhere, basically Eastern Oregon.

You gotta get two bikes there. If you, if you, if your finance is stretched to habit, to owning two bikes in the first place. Yeah. So yeah, they've gone pretty much, Eddie only, uh, you can wear a skin suit, you can use arrow helmets. [01:08:00] Shoe covers all that stuff. But you, your bike has to be a road bike. 

Jake: Yeah.

That all makes all the sense in the world to me. Yeah. I mean, from a logistical standpoint it just, it just works. And again, I'm not opposed to TT bikes. I mean they're cool for a lot of different reasons, but to know that you can go do all of these things now with one bike and you can still geek out on like, how can I get faster on my road bike?

And you start working on other things to, to do that. And what's nice about that is it will translate over to when you're doing like a road race or a crit race. Like, hey, all this work I did on, you know, trying to be a faster time traveler on my road bike, I can employ that when I'm in this breakaway. Or I can employ that when I'm doing X on this particular race.

It's gonna be one of those things that's gonna pay off for you. 

Lance: I found, I found the rules for Baker City's Sure. Time trial. So Cat three racers and below are racing. Eddie Merck's style. All Eddie Merck's. All Eddie Merck's style. 

Jake: Okay. 

Lance: Um, I. From Pro one, two men and Pro one, two women and Masters one two threes are racing full [01:09:00] arrow with no restrictions and there's no time penalty.

So they, I guess they got away 

Ian: Master 1, 1, 2 and three. 

Lance: Yep. And Master 60 plus. 

Ian: Damn. I shouldn't have sold my time trial 

Lance: full arrow. You can borrow it, I'm sure. 

Jake: Is it a, is it a 1, 2, 3 field and a 3, 4, 5 field, or is it both And they're just kind of stretching that, that that's correct. That three thin, I think so.

Interesting. 

Ian: All right. There's just some, there is though. Something cool about a TT bike. It's just, it's just that pure expression of speed. It's like buying a fast sports car or something. It's you, you can geek out on it just being a sleek, fast bike. And it's a joy to own. Yeah. 

Jake: But let's look at it from a logistical standpoint and, and a cost standpoint.

I mean, how much does it cost to get into a TT bike these days? Yeah. Not a lot of brands are making the lower level TT bikes anymore because the, the demand have has gone down for 'em a little bit. You know, I, I remember BMC came out with their latest iterations of their time trial bikes, and I think the least expensive option they had was like 16 grand.

Yes. However, that's BMC and, 

Lance: but still a [01:10:00] decent, updated, all the newest stuff on a time trial bike is gonna cost you 15 grand. 

Jake: Yeah. You're gonna be lucky to get into something for, I dunno, five to seven used if it's gonna be in that genre. Right. And you can get some older stuff that's gonna be less expensive.

If you know somebody like Ian that's, you know, selling a really nice TT bike that's maybe a few years old, you can get a deal that way. But it's not gonna have all the latest bells and whistles. Like if you truly want to have the latest technology built into a bike that's gonna give you every last little minute bit of like marginal gain, you're gonna be spending money out the nose.

Yeah. And if you're really into this whole bike racing thing, how does that stack up when you've gotta get a road bike too? That's gonna be super expensive. Grant, you have a lot more options out there to, to keep that and check cost wise. But still it's such an expensive sport to begin with and to do two bikes and then have to travel with them and then trying to train on both of 'em as well.

'cause you have to train that position. You can't just go out there and be fast and say, oh, just because I'm fast on my road bike, I'm gonna get on a T TT bike and I'm gonna be just as fast. No, it's not like that at all. Right. You have [01:11:00] to really train up that position. So, 

Ian: God, I, I think I was putting out.

Probably 30 watts less on my TT bike. Yeah, sure. Yep. So I was faster, but still powers. 

Jake: Matt, will you ever buy another TT bike? 

Matt: I would love to, but the, the I think argument that I have that you guys aren't really thinking about is that I would want to use it for triathlon. And you guys are really focused on road racing.

Correct. Whereas with road racing, yeah. I might hop in a road race and do something, especially if it'd be fun to do something with a, with a TT in it. Like I enjoy doing that same thing that kind of, Ian said there's something pure and fun about having a bike and trying to go as fast as you can on it, which is a TT bike.

Jake: Yeah. I have to admit though, when I first started riding with you, yeah. More times than not, you were on your TT bike for a lot of the rides that we would go time, if we were gonna do like a really hilly ride out there, you would jump on your old special specialized. So I would still do a TT bike bike, 

Matt: even if it was like a hilly ride.

Jake: And you, you commanded yourself extremely well on that bike. And it was actually fun to go ride the flatter stuff with [01:12:00] Matt because it pushed me a little bit harder. We used to do this beaches ride and Matt was fricking fast on that, that TT bike I 

Matt: got so used to that position. Yeah. And that bike that I felt much more comfortable on that bike than a road bike.

Even if we were doing like a hundred mile ride. In fact, we did Seattle to Portland and I was like, um, I know this is weird, but I really want to use my TT bike. It's, that's the bike that I train on the most. Yeah. So. And I'm training on that bike the most because that's the bike that I was racing on. I, I was not racing at all on a road bike.

Sure. So, 

Jake: and sometimes you get nervous having somebody in your group riding on a TT bike. Yeah. And you're like, yeah. But Matt always did such a great job of composing himself and I never had to question him. He was just always Johnny on the spot. Safe and predictable. And it worked out really well. I can't say that about ever everybody else, but, uh, for, 

Matt: yeah.

TT bikes are squirrelly and I think the key is like, don't get in, don't get in the bars when you're behind another wheel. 'cause that's, you know, that's time that you don't have to get to the brakes. Mm-hmm. So you need to, you kind of, I mean, like use a TT bike if you're out front and someone's on [01:13:00] your wheel.

But otherwise, so we did 

Ian: do, a few years ago we did a, um, team time trial Oh yeah. Down by, um, down by Eugene Berg, I think. Um, and that was kind of interesting, like get it being on. In the skis. Mm-hmm. Yep. And drafting people being in a pace line. Yeah, it's, and I was kind of nervous. You're leading 

Jake: me into my last thing that I really wanna see, okay.

Is more team trials, time trials. And I think that you're gonna get. More people to sign up and come out and actually do that if you're doing it on road bikes. 'cause it's just, there's so many people that don't, they used how hard to 

Matt: put together like a five person team of people that have TT bikes. Yeah.

I mean 

Jake: a lot of the OBRA races here were four groups of four usually. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken for the team time Giles. And you know, there was a a a point in time where there's a, a pretty good chunk of people that had a TT bike so they would put those on and you know, get pretty decent registration. I think to put something on now it would be difficult, but however, if you did it in Eddy class Yeah.

I think that you could really 

Matt: draw some people out. Oh. I think that'd be really fun. I think teams would really love that. Having like that team aspect of it. Sure. Like, okay, [01:14:00] Jake's stronger here. We put him out for two minutes and then we have Lance come in at a minute and a half. Like you can just have so much fun with the team strategy part of it.

Jake: Just don't let re um, lance drink some rocket red before you do a team drive drop. Yeah. Or eat 

Lance: salsa or salsa salsa team. 

Jake: Yeah. We did a team time trial. What was it, 2019? I think it was. It was like me. You sra? Yep. Who was the fourth? Was it Han? 

Lance: I think so maybe. And I was fresh off a fresh off the boat from like a, like a two week cruise, like completely detrained and yeah, I peeped all over myself and got dropped and got 

Jake: dropped.

Good day then. Anyway. Oh boy. I still like interesting TT bikes. I think they're great. I don't personally need one. I do think that leaning into the Eddie stuff would be good for bike racing in general. Don't wanna see TTS go away from having TT bikes, but I think that the, the crown jewel of the race needs to be more Eddy based.

That's just my 2 cents. 

Matt (2): Okay. That's fair. Good 

Jake: hot seat question Andy, Mr. TT bike [01:15:00] already, already? It 

Lance: was yesterday. 

Jake: Ian sold his second child. So, 

Lance: hey, so get this, I, I went on bike reg to see, you know what the numbers were like people who had registered for Baker City and there's like 130 people that have already registered for Baker City.

So I'm looking through the names and I realize I'm not, I'm not recognizing any of the, of the names of people that are registered until I started reading the names. So the pro one, two field of men are made up of, um. Moose, Dossin, lug nut lauff, um, shaky mustard from, uh, POA racing Dr. Mud. Uh, Bart Smells.

Um, Ebenezer. Mercks. So clearly it's a April 1st joke. They replaced everybody's, everybody's name. Oh, well played is, is been replaced. Captain Frankenstein Bar. Barney Road. Rash Wobbles, Vander Legs. Okay. This is brilliant. Brilliant. Well done, well done bike [01:16:00] reg. Well done. 

Matt: Brilliant. 

Ian: Hey, I gotta have free entry for Bake City.

Oh, you did? For podium? At, uh, at Rowena. 

Lance: Oh f Fantastic. Nice job. That's worth like 250 bucks. 

Ian: I know. Well done. Except I'm gonna have to do it now. 

Lance: All right. Do you think I'm coming out there to help you with that? You're probably right. I'll 

Matt: enough 

Jake: of that stuff. 

Matt: Let's do one last thing so we can get outta here.

Matt, you want kick us off? Sure. I always do. One last thing. I have a video coming up soon as I can get under behind the computer and start editing, uh, called the top 10 GPS watches of 2025. And, um, I've got like half, half built. It's, uh, I did it last year and it's not that hard of a video to make, but it people, that's what they wanna see.

And so it does tend to get a large amount of views. I think last year's video has 160,000 views or something like that. Fantastic. Wow. So I'm like, okay, let's just follow this formula, do it again. Uh, and then after that I'll do the, uh, apple Watch cancer bands. The watch bands that, that are, [01:17:00] that are not really causing cancer.

Jake: Is it still Cascio's? Uh. Cassio, like there's is is it still for them to lose? I mean, is it still there? Their race to lose for your top watches for 2025? The calculator watch 

Matt: the Cassio calculator watch. There is no, there's nonstop that, that's a watch from 1981 and even in 2025, that watch is unbeatable.

Yeah. So yeah. That's, that's a given. Yeah. That was in April Fool's video from quite a few years ago. Do yourself a favor. Go check it out. Yeah, it's, it's, it's a good one. Check it out. 

Jake: Cool. I'm bummed I'm not gonna see Chester. Wow. Chester heater. I know. It's, the day's not over yet. So maybe Matt, talk to Chester.

Chester and put something out. Can's not 

Matt: happening. It's not happening today, but maybe next year. Yeah. 

Jake: Give him together with, uh, champ Bailey. Put something out there. Yeah, that's true. 

Ian: Ian did You got one last thing for us? Yeah, one last thing. Uh, if you're living the Pacific no Northwest and you're on a bicycle racing team, come out to race this weekend.

We've got a great lineup. Uh, Saturday is Paper Town Classic out at Longview. We flat race, sprint, finish. Should be fun. [01:18:00] Um, Sunday, Travis Richardson is putting on the Banana Belt Road race out at Hog Lake 

Jake: back to back weekends. 

Ian: Back to back weekends. 

Jake: What's next weekend? Just outta curiosity. 

Ian: Some mountain bike rubbish.

I think this weekend, 

Jake: no, this weekend is those two races. What's the following weekend? 

Lance: It's Bone Crusher and, um, sea Otter and PIR begins. 

Jake: Why wouldn't they spread those out by a week? Just outta curiosity? 

Ian: I don't know. It's just, um, trying to get races every weekend. There's something on, if you, if you're promoting a race right now, well I, you know, you 

Jake: might lose a couple people to a mountain bike race, but you're gonna lose a lot more people that are doing the same discipline if you're doing two races in one week.

And now a lot of people want to, you know, do that kinda stuff, like doing the double the back to backs. But I know some people it's a, it's a. It's a bit of a commitment for, you know, every weekend. Crazy. Every weekend. There seems 

Ian: to be some kind of conflict though. Yeah. It's hard to get URI in there, but, um, but yeah, I mean, I mean the, uh, [01:19:00] the paper towel, you can, you can do that and come out of that without too much fatigue.

I mean, sit in the pack, right. 

Jake: And yeah, 

Ian: it's flat. 

Jake: This is true. 

Ian: It's, it's not, the distance isn't too far. People are gonna be drilling it. It's gonna be fast, but hey. But definitely Banana Belt. I think that's a great race. It's well worth coming out to. And it's the second race in the Pacific Northwest Cup series, uh, held here.

Uh oh Yeah. Between Washington State Bicycle Association and obra. And so it's the second of four events and um, it's gonna be good. The weather looks like it's gonna be good this weekend. Uh, say come on out, join us. Oh, great. Uh, if it's light last weekend and we had a bunch of teammates, it's so much fun.

Sure. Right. Racing with your friends. Yep. 

Lance: You got one last thing I do. Um, one of the, uh, one of the big races on my calendar is actually this Saturday, and it's not paper towns. The mud slinger mountain bike race is happening this Saturday down [01:20:00] in the Corvallis, Oregon area. So, um, I'm headed down there to do that race this weekend, um, and hoping to redeem myself a little bit in that, uh, cat one 50 plus field.

So we'll see that mud slinger. Mud slinger just doesn't sound feasible. It is al it is in a forest. 

Matt: It those like logging roads back there. They are. Yeah. It's, it's 

Lance: a, it's a private forest that they log sections of and so the trails aren't used that much. Um, and I've run back there. It's beautiful. We're gonna have like beautiful weather, beautiful weather's coming, but it will not dry out in that forest.

There will still be muddy sections. Will you be slinging mud? There will be some slinging of some mud. Okay. That will happen. So. There'll be quite a few teammates that'll be at that race. Um, I'll be giving it a go. I'm not sure I can make it to Banana Belt because my wife is having surgery on her shoulder tomorrow.

Oh, brand 

Ian: understand. 

Lance: I am the, I am the sole caregiver post-surgery for her, so, [01:21:00] um, I'm not sure I can leave her alone for like two and a half full days to fend for herself. I might not have a home to come home to if I just like ditched her. So we'll have to see how it goes. I feel 

Jake: bad 

Lance: for her. I know she's, this is the worst.

Everybody's told her that shoulder surgery is like the worst, so she is dreading it. So that's my, that's my day tomorrow. 

Jake: All right. Well, wish your luck. Thank you, Jake. Cool. My one last thing is the dialed weekly rides are back. We had our first, uh, Tuesday night gravel ride last week, and there will be another one tonight, and then this week marks the return of.

Flogging Ride. Oh, this Thursday, flogging ride, it's back on again. And we will be putting that out on Strava for those who are interested and local and want to join us for those. Um, the flogging ride's pretty cool in that we have, um, multiple groups in terms of like your ability level. So we've got an A group, B group, C group, and then sometimes even a D group.

And we have all of the descriptions of all the different rides and, or, well, not rides, but the, the categories if you will, in terms of how fast they generally ride. And if you go and show up and you, uh, kick [01:22:00] everybody's butt, we're gonna make you go up to the next one next week. And if you go and get dropped, you know that you can maybe, you know, cycle down to one of the ones below you and come out every week and do it, and you're gonna get stronger guaranteed.

And then where you are going to start the, um, fog Hat Friday, the social rides, we generally start those the weekend that we have Memorial. I think based on the number of people that have asked for that, we're gonna push that up a little bit and we're gonna probably start closer to the beginning of May.

So about a month from now. And that'll be weather dependent. So, and then Cinco de Mayo. 

Matt: There you go. Fired off. It's gonna 

Matt (2): be, you can have a theme, you can have 

Matt: a Cinco de Mayo theme. 

Matt (2): There you go. For ride 

Jake: there. That's a fantastic idea, Matt. That's what we keep here around, that's what I'm here for. And then, uh, there'll be a bunch of other stuff on the calendar too when there's not bike races.

Um, if there are bike races, go race the bikes. Have fun doing that. You guys got anything else to do? Nothing else to say. That's it. No. Cool. Happy, uh, April Fool's Day. It's uh, April 1st. I can't believe it's already April. Crazy. Alright, we will be back next week with another one of these in. Until then, bye for now.[01:23:00] 

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