Dialed Podcast 365 - Talking Women's Cycling with a Unicorn in the Women's Cycling Community!

Our own Camryn Berglin joins us to talk about the women's racing, building the women's cycling community, women mechanics and much more. Per usual, we also cover some recent races and get into some cycling bantar.  Enjoy the podcast!

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• 2:36 Intro
• 9:37 Backpedal
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• 17:44 (Cont.) Backpedal
• 26:52 Leadout News
• 35:42 EPO Chain Mail
• 37:50 Women's Cycling Discussion
• 1:16:56 One Last Thing

Transcript

Jake: Welcome back to the Dialed podcast. I am Jake von Duering and I'm here with Lance Frigging Heppler, 

Lance: Lance Frigging Heppler – here on my frigging birthday. 

Matt: You, you hadn't introduce yourself. I was like, wait a minute, something's missing. Yeah. Wow. Lance, happy birthday. Thank you. Happy. Thank you. Happy. Thank you. 80. 

Lance: I feel 80. I am, I mean, one, I'm physically, I'm physically 55 and like, uh, emotionally like 14 and Okay. And three quarters. And three quarters. You know, 

Ian: all the latest research points to, if the more birthdays you get, then um, you are more likely to live longer.

So it's, thank you. It's a good thing. C 

Intro: he and appreciate that. 

Jake: And to his right, Sir Ian Gibson. 

Ian: Hello. Hello. 

Jake: How you doing, governor? 

Ian: I'm all right, mate. You're right. 

Jake: Um, I'm gonna hop over one other [00:02:00] person and come to the one and only Matt LeGrand. 

Matt: What's up Ladies  and gentleman of the internet?

You guys look. Older today. 55. You look older. 

Lance: 55. 

Matt: I was gonna guess older. 50. I was gonna guess a lot older. I'm really glad I didn't guess. 

Lance: There's been a lot of sun damage on this face and I haven't done a thing about it. You got, do you wear sunscreen? Not usually. 

Matt: You gotta throw a little on there. I just to cover up.

Think about cycling and sunscreen is such a horrible thing. 'cause like you put it on your bald spot and then it just runs into your eyes and you look like you've been crying for about a month and a half. Yeah, that's, it's tough about right. 

Ian: He doesn't have a bald spot. I don't, 

Matt: I got, I got one, two of them for you.

I got enough for both of us. 

Jake: Hey guys, we got somebody else here with us today. Pretty cool person. Kind of fond of her, which, all right. Uh, Camryn Bergin, how are you? 

Camryn: Good. 

Jake: Welcome to the podcast. 

Camryn: Thank you. I'm happy to be here, 

Jake: finally. Got you. To join us after, what, three years in change? Something like that.

Yeah. Cool. All [00:03:00] right. Well, um, Cameron is gonna join us for all of the fun and festivities today. And we'll tell you why here in just a little bit. Do you guys do, should we just kind of introduce her a little bit right now? Yeah. Let, do you guys have some questions? Lets let, yeah, 

Lance: we should, we should roll with Cameron.

Jake: Alright. Alright, let's go ahead and start. Uh, Cameron, what brings you to all this dialed madness? What, what, what is your part with dialed? Yes. Why don't you tell everybody? 

Camryn: Um, three years and some change ago, I walked into a bike shop and demanded a job. Mm-hmm. I swear 

Jake: she's, she's not kidding. Yes. 

Camryn: And uh, Jake told me one time that the squeaky wheel gets the grease and I was the squeaky wheel for quite some time.

So I've been working at the lab as a mechanic for three years-ish. Mm-hmm. Um. Jake and returned, threw a jersey at me and told me that I had to race if I was gonna work at the shop. And yes. Fresh off a 

Jake: knee surgery too, if I'm not mistaken. Yes. 

Camryn: Five months after knee surgery. And, um, bikes have become my personality now.

So. 

Matt: So you just walked in the shop, you didn't know him? 

Camryn: Uh, I didn't know him. You wanted 

Matt: to work in a bike shop? We kinda 

Jake: had a [00:04:00] mutual friend, 

Camryn: yes. And the gal I moved in with when I moved to Vancouver knew Jake, um, was on the team. 

Jake: No affiliated? No, her dad is a friend and he rides with us from time to time and she knew of us.

So yeah, it was just a small world and you were like, kind of 

Matt: wanna work in a bike shop and she was like, try this. Go. Yeah. Cool. 

Camryn: I had worked at REI, um, and kind of had started working at the bike shop in there. Um, and then 

Matt: Nice 

Camryn: moved to Vancouver and really wanted to keep wrenching on bikes. I didn't like the customer service side as much.

Yeah. At a bigger corporation at dialog, 

Matt: you get to do it all. 

Camryn: Yes. 

Lance: You're kinda stuck doing it all. You get to do it all. Yeah. 

Matt: No choice. 

Camryn: Yes. So that's cool. Yeah. 

Matt: I didn't know that story. 

Jake: So concurrent to that, you were going to school? Yes. Um, and you finished up that said schooling and did some more schooling.

What, what are you doing there? Yeah. 

Camryn: Um, so I got my bachelor's degree in kinesiology. So same as Jake. Ah. Um, and then finished that. Didn't wanna go to PT school 'cause it's expensive. Yeah. [00:05:00] And, uh, loved working with our juniors. I had coached a bit in the past and, um, went into education, so I just. Yesterday I actually finished up most of the requirements for my master's degree, um, in education.

And I've been teaching at a high school, um, PE and health and it's been an absolute riot. The kids are insane and just the absolute best. 

Jake: Nice. She goes in there and handles her business too, too. I hear a lot of fun little stories. It's kind of kind of cool. I kinda wanna be a fly on the wall and go check that out one of these days.

What school are you 

Matt: working with? 

Jake: Should she say that? Should I say that? I don't know. 

Matt: No, nevermind. Yeah, maybe not. It's top secret stuff. It's probably school in the area. It's top secret school in the area. Secret stuff, 

Jake: because she's getting ready to go do some top secret stuff. Cameron, how, what was one of the cool ways that you were able to get most of your schooling paid for?

Camryn: Yes. I, uh, when I started my bachelor's degree, I did not want student debt Smart. Mm-hmm. So I sold my soul to the United States government and joined the National Guard. Um, I've been in [00:06:00] for about five years. Um, I'm a combat engineer, so I get to. Play with C four blow stuff up. Oh wow. 

Like you do? 

Camryn: Yes. It's dumb.

I call it dumb boy fun. Um, and it's, yeah, again, remember that freaky will 

Jake: comment. It wasn't that, it was more like crap, I don't want her to blow me up. 

Camryn: Yeah. So, um, I am taking off here in a couple weeks to go pay the dues. Um. Get some more money from 'em and go hang out in Africa for a little bit. We're gonna 

Jake: go out big time.

Uh, that's kind of like your, your farewell like little last hurrah with them. So for 10 months you're gonna be pretty much gone. 

Yes. I don't know if you months can say where 

Jake: you're going or what you're doing or any that fun stuff, but, uh, yeah, she's being deployed so we wanted to have her on the podcast before she took off just so we can finally catch up with her and talk about some stuff.

So 

Camryn: talk to me when there's still joy in my heart. 

Lance: Uh, I think it'll be a good experience. 

Camryn: Yeah. 

Lance: Cool. Well, Cameron has been an absolute pleasure to have around the shop. She's been very good. Just whether you could [00:07:00] think she could like handle her business or not. One of my first experiences with her, I was, uh, in the bike shop and I was, I was asked to kind of help show her a couple things.

Mm-hmm. And because I'm kind of a mechanic, I'm not nearly as good as Cameron is now or as the other mechanics, but I was showing her how to do something on, on one of the bikes and she turned to me and said. Are you man, splinting me right now. Again, it, she was like, she was like 21 years old at this time, or 20, probably 20.

Yeah. He was probably 20 years old. And I'm like, oh, um, yeah, I guess I am and I think you're gonna do just fine here. And I think I just stood up and walked away. Okay, she's gonna be fine. I'm not gonna worry about Cameron anymore because uh, she will figure this all out. So it has been that kind of relationship ever since.

It's been fantastic. She has raced a bunch. She has been great at the lab. Uh, so we're super happy to have Cameron here. Cool. We've probably talked about her a fair amount. Oh yeah. On this podcast. Oh, yeah, yeah, 

Jake: yeah. She doesn't listen [00:08:00] to the podcast, so she wouldn't know that I wouldn't know. And, and rightfully so.

Um, all right, well I'm sure we're gonna have a lot more to talk about with her. Uh, let's go ahead and get into some back pedaling. Matt, would you like to get us started? 

Matt: Yes. Uh, I have not biked hardly at all. So blast can be pretty quick. Backpedal been this, this is 

Ian: your transition season, 

Matt: right? This is my transition season.

I really, I, I need to get on some biking and I need to do some brick work and stuff like that. 'cause there's the chance of doing a triathlon in a couple of weeks, but. Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. Okay. I, I, I, I kind of, I can blame the weather, right? It's rainy today. No, it's, it's decent outside. 

Lance: It's been great weather.

All, all week's 

Matt: been. I gotta get on the bike. Sorry. Let's go for it. Move. Just move on. Just move on from me. I've got nothing. 

Jake: Cameron, what's been up to the last week? Have you done any bike riding? Bike racing, anything fun on two wheels? 

Camryn: Uh, went to post canyon a couple times. Did some fun mountain bike laps.

Finishing up school [00:09:00] means that takes precedence, unfortunately. Um. So last time I raced was two weeks ago and we'll see how many more I get win. Which race was it that you did? That was PIR. Okay. The first PIR race, uh, won the Cat four five race in a little sprint finish. Um, road racing is tough 'cause you can't self-select and I probably not to blow my own horn but shouldn't be racing in the four, five women category there.

Matt: Yeah. Did you feel safe in there? That's my like, reason not to race four five. She was very safe because 

Jake: she was just pretty much off the front doing her own thing. Just can you just go off the front? 

Camryn: I was off the front for a little bit and then the rest of the time I was talking smack. I was like, ladies, we are not here for a zone two group ride.

Let's pick up pace a little up. So, perfect. I haven't been back 'cause I need to get my attitude in check before I go on another group ride on a Monday night. 

Jake: Sweet Gibo. How about you, bud? 

Ian: Yeah, my, uh, my Sunday was definitely not a zone two group ride. Um, it was a huge group ride. I went out and did [00:10:00] the gorge gravel race out in Ddu for Oregon, which is a big event.

It's huge. There was like, what? That's about 900 people there, 900 

Lance: racers. I think there was about 200 in the big, about 400 in the medium. Yeah. And about 300 in the small, so yeah. Yeah. Lot. A lot of people. Yeah. That doesn't add up to 900, but don't check my math. 

Matt: Don't double check the math. 

Ian: Something like that.

I came 28th in the medium, which was okay for an old man, I guess 

Lance: 28th overall. Yeah. At almost 400. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. That's okay. I'm not too shabby. 

Ian: Second in my field, mid podium. But you, you want the race recap? Sure. I can make, why not? Sure. I'll play Lance. Yeah. Actually, the hardest, the hardest part of the race was the first.

Five miles, like as soon as a neutral car car pulled away, we were on the road for a little way, and then we turned left up this hill and it was probably the most significant hill on the course. Apart from the finish 

Lance: was the longest [00:11:00] climb. Longest of the day. 

Ian: Yeah. And I just watched the lead group right away from me.

My teammate, John Hatfield was in it. My teammate Chris Ra was in it, my teammate. Tom Ks was there, Gary Corn's was there, and I just watched them sort of gradually fade off into the distance. 

Matt: Were you putting in a decent effort? 

Ian: Yeah, I was maxed out. Okay. Yeah. And, and at the top of that climb, it didn't really flatten out.

It was just like a very gradual drag uphill. So it took me a long time to recover from that, and I really thought that was it, that was the race. But, uh, as things turned out, we got through a little technical section and I ended up with a fast group of guys, like about six or seven of us that worked together.

And I started feeling better, way better. And um, I was kind of feeling like I was one of the stronger guys soon when we got onto the rollers and the little uphill sections. And sure enough, you know, as the miles went by, the group got smaller and eventually it was just, uh, me [00:12:00] and two other guys. 

Matt: How were the technical sections?

You guys had been out there and previewed the course? We pre and went over a couple places, right? Yeah, we did. It's really, 

Ian: it's crazy the whole. In the whole race. There's like, what, like a quarter mile technical section? Correct. That's it. Half there and there one, there's one stupid big puddle and so you get completely covered in mud once and there you're covered in mud photographer there 

Lance: and the document it, the of its dry and smooth and cushy.

Gravel and really nice. Yeah. And half, half pavement and half, you know, gravel. So the rest of it's really just, just nothing. Normal, normal racecraft, but there's only one half mile. But I had built 

Ian: this thing up in my mind 'cause I, I'm not a technical bike rider. I didn't ride, I don't race mountain bikes. I, I a whole lot of gravel and I was frankly a little bit terrified of this section.

I, for the amount of bike racing I do, I'm absolutely terrified about falling [00:13:00] off and crashing. 

Matt: Yeah. 

Ian: So I just did not wanna do that. And so once that technical section was behind me, it just seemed to clear my head up and I just. Just went, I was feeling better and better. I kept my nutrition under, uh, under control and positioned myself well, you know, the, the, the biggest factor on that race on Sunday was the wind.

I think it was constant at 20 miles an hour, gusting 10 15 above that. Wow. Gusting to 35 seemed to come from all directions. Dang. So even when you turned and went down the hill, you were still working hard and, and it that just ground on you for as the hours went by. So was it 

Jake: swirling? You just had the perpetual headwind?

It 

Ian: just seemed like it, 

Jake: yeah, it 

Ian: just seemed like it. 

Jake: I remember the only 

Ian: relief was as we turned and there's a, there's a climb to finish up with a mile and a half to the finish line, and all of a sudden the wind died away. And you're like, oh, great. But by that point. Legs were, my head legs were cramping and it was still like a [00:14:00] 10, 12%.

Jake: I remember doing that. This was probably like 2018, I think it was. It's been a minute since I've been out there and done that. But I remember having a tailwind at one section, doing 180, 200 watts and going like 35, 36 miles an hour. I'm like, this is magical. Yeah. And then we came around to bend and like the, the, the topography changed a little bit and all of a sudden you're into a block, Henwood.

And I remember having putting down 350 to 400 wat going like 11 miles an hour. I'm like, yep, this sucks. Some of those spots 

Matt: in the gorge, like you can come out into a clearing and it feels like the wind's gonna knock you off your bike. Like you're like warning to everyone. Like two hands on the, two hands on the bar.

Yeah. Like you really feel it. 

Ian: And that area around fer is, there's no trees really. It's itself, yeah. It's, it's just wide open. So the wind howls and, uh, there was one, one point where we turned into a crosswind and we were heading down hill at like 30 miles an hour with this, these gusts coming.

Perpendicular to it. Yeah, perpendicular. Yeah. From the side. Yeah. And blowing you from [00:15:00] the, the, the smooth path in the gravel on, into the loose stuff on the side. And it was just, you know, we, it was scary, scary stuff. But, um, anyway, it, it was a good event and it was just fun being with so many people, with so many teammates.

We had a, it was, it was just a good time, I guess. Good looking back and I'm still paying the price. I still, uh, I'm sore from that ride. It was a big effort for nearly four hours. It. 

Lance: There was a, there was a 15 mile section in there that, um, that was exactly the same as last year. And, um, it was nine minutes slower during that section just because of the wind.

Oh, 'cause the wind, wow. Yeah. Like my time last year I was solo. I did the same watts this year as last year, nine minutes slower. That's how much the wind made a difference, so. 

Matt: Wow. But I think you posted something to YouTube. 

Lance: I did. I, I, uh, I, I also [00:16:00] did the race, but um, I completely chickened out and just did the Sure.

Small. The small, the short horse. And that 

Matt: is a mile and a quarter, if I remember correctly. 

Lance: That's right. It's, it's a 400 meter race. It's a, it's all downhill. All downhill. Winds on your back. Yeah. Okay. You have to hop a rock. The hardest 

Ian: point it is like I did 61 miles, I think, and then, and then you finish and you're still like five miles outta town up at, and you gotta ride up a hill.

Of course you gotta get home to get back to the park. Yeah. That's the, that's the best part. That's the social part. Yeah. Yeah. It was a long day. Uh, it was probably the, the biggest, uh, race on my calendar, and I don't, I don't have a lot. I. Left after this really that composed with that. So it was a good event.

Good day. Yeah, it was good looking back. Type two fun. I, 

Lance: I did the small grinder. Um, there was about 250 people, something like that. 250 or 300 that did the small grinder. Um, of course I parked myself right at the front. I gotta say I, I ended up having the [00:17:00] best race experience I've had this year so far doing this race because I, I was a factor in the race.

I had teammates to work with. I had to use some racecraft to beat a couple guys. So that kind of made it, um, a good experience for me. Yeah, there's a, there's a 10 minute YouTube breakdown of the race that I did. Or whatnot. How's 

Matt: your channel doing? 

Lance: Oh, you know, I'm almost at 700. Nice. So, yeah, it's doing okay.

That's really cool. Yeah, it's, it's, it's still been fun, so, very much fun. 

Camryn: Lance, did you win? 

Lance: I did not. Yeah. No, not even close. Actually. You 

Ian: did podium 

Lance: there. I did podium. I was third in my age group. Um, I was fourth overall, but no fifth overall, because Juliette beat me, a woman from let's the Hood River.

Let's go. Yes, she's fantastic. So, uh, but yeah, I, I, I did not win and it was funny. I, I did better power this [00:18:00] year and actually raced better, but, um, what had worse results because faster people showed up. And that's what happens with the small grinder. You don't know who's gonna do Oh yeah. The medium or who's gonna do the big, and I chose to do the small grinder because that's the, all the effort I really wanted to put into it.

I've been struggling this year anyway. And so on the 

Matt: last podcast you were saying, you were like, uh, I'm not feeling it. I got, I wasn't sure went on, gonna go. You went on a couple group rides and you were getting your butt kicked, and you were like, this isn't, this isn't going well. This was 

Lance: not going well.

So 

Matt: how are you feeling now? I feel a 

Lance: lot better actually. Yeah. And, and I, I feel better because my, my body kind of responded well on race day, which was good. I, my race was a little different than Ian's. Um, um, when, when our race flag dropped, um, on that first 10 mile climb, there was a group of, or first four mile climb.

There was a group of 10 that got away from me that I could not go. And I knew there was at least five in that group that were in my age group. [00:19:00] And I thought, okay, this is just gonna be, this is gonna be the day, one of the days. Yep. And, uh, we had a, I had a teammate with me, Justin Sipple. There were quite a few teammates with us, but Justin Sipple and I are pretty similar riders.

We're pretty similar build, we're a pretty similar like, uh, riders. And so he, I caught him at the top of the climb and the two of us worked together and pulled back a group of four that were in our group. And I thought, okay, fantastic. Uh, so now we're like somewhere in the top five, you, you and me. And it was right before the technical section and I dropped everybody on the technical section because I kind of attacked it really hard on purpose.

And Justin stayed with me, which was fantastic. Nice. And then Justin and I traded poles for the next 15 miles and it was. So much nicer. Last year I did this race and I was alone the entire race. I did not have anybody to work with. And me and Justin were able to swap poles through the [00:20:00] whole windy section, which was really nice.

Uh, but right as we got to the end of our race, there was a left hand turn and a six mile downhill for the small grinder. And, and right as that was happening, Justin and I caught two more people in our group, which I'm like, okay, fantastic. And I'm like, Justin, this guy I know is in my age group, we gotta watch him.

Um, he, they were guys who took off at the very beginning, but we pulled him back and on one final roller right before the downhill, we lost Justin. He just didn't quite Yep. Hang on. Which I was really pumped about. We turned left on this downhill. As soon as we hit the downhill, there was a 20 mile an hour wind right in our face, and two guys ahead of me were 30 pounds lighter than me.

And I kind of went, no way. These guys are gonna stay with me on this downhill into the wind downhill. And so as soon as it [00:21:00] got steep, I attacked the downhill and I never saw either from it again, which was actually really nice. So I ended up third of my age group and fifth overall, and so ended up being a decent day for me.

Felt a lot better about it. So how 

Matt: are you feeling after the race? 

Lance: I, I'm sore. I didn't race PIR yesterday either. I kind of skipped that, but, um, yeah, we'll see how. The rest of this year goes 

Matt: nice. Yeah. And then you got a birthday today, so you're not going out on the road tonight? I'm 

Lance: not. My daughters are making me dinner or something, and we're gonna celebrate a little bit with the family, so.

Nice. Uh, yeah, we'll take it easy today. 

Jake: Cool. 

Lance: I'm out von during 

Jake: you got a backpedal? Uh, yeah, I rode, did the flogging ride last week. I How was that? It was fun. It was a little bit smaller of a group, which was kind of a little bit strange because the weather was absolutely perfect. It was, that was on the 

Matt: day that we did the podcast last week, I think.

I, I believe 

Jake: so. Yeah. I, I think one of the big reasons why is there were a lot of people who are racing this weekend in general, Uhhuh, uh, there's a couple different [00:22:00] races going on, so I think everybody was like, maybe I will save some of the intensity for the actual race as opposed to going out there and thrashing myself.

Did you go with the 

Matt: A group or the B group or the, I rode with the, A group. Okay. Yeah, 

Jake: but it wasn't all that huge. I think we ended up having only like six or seven people I believe. I, I 

Ian: advised my, my guys that they probably shouldn't do the flogging ride. Yeah. 

Jake: I think I advised you not to do the part and you, you advised me not to as well.

Well, yeah, again, it was totally fine. It was, uh, probably the right call, but it was, it was still a blast. There was still like some people that showed up that could, you know, full on like drop some huge watts and we, we had fun mixing it up out there and didn't die. I had good watts and yeah, good times. I didn't get to ride though much else.

Um, I didn't get to do the, the Wednesday ride because work was stupid busy. Didn't get to ride over the weekend because work and family stuff got to be stupid busy. So I was on the trainer 'cause I don't like riding in the dark. Um, but yeah, so this week hopefully will be a slightly bit better scenario.

There is a slight chance I can do the gravel ride tonight. I have my son's, [00:23:00] um, track meet. Yeah. And he is, um, possibly doing the 200. He's gonna find out at 200 at at two o'clock today. If he does, I will not make it. If he does not, I think I'll have just enough time to see his first three or four events and then mosey on down to the, he's 

Matt: crushing it in track.

Cool. He's doing really well. 

Jake: Fantastic. He's doing all right. He's, he's, yeah, he's pretty stoked on it and he's doing well for a 15-year-old kid that's you to, 

Matt: he gotta go to the Jesuit race, right? He did. He was, um, invited to be on their four by 100 team. And then I think I saw your wife taking photos at one of 'em.

Maybe it was like last Tuesday at the Union race. Was she out there with the camera? She 

Jake: was, yeah. I left, uh, just a touch early to come home and make dinner before we're heading over to the Tuesday night gravel ride, and she snapped a few photos after I Nice. Was there taking some video and photos of 'em as well.

So. 

Matt: Pretty cool. 

Jake: Yeah, it was, uh, that Jesuit thing that was kind of a funny, it's, what was that 40 minute, 45 minute drive down there with traffic and all the fun stuff. Got down there in the parking was such a Yeah, the, it, it was packed. Packed there. There was so many people and we walked up and they're like, $10 per person.

They're like, yeah, [00:24:00] great. So handed over 20 bucks. We walked in and no joke, they, they called out his name and he gave us the wrong time. They called out, not his name, but his, his team like to go start line up. So we've got eight teams in, in all the eight different lanes. And he was already in his lane. We literally walked up 30 seconds before he started.

So it was just, we almost missed it. You were like, we got in case 20 

Matt: bucks and we we're turn around, come right back out. I, exactly. I 

Jake: watched, I walked in 30 seconds later, I watched my son run for 11 and a half seconds and we were done. 

Matt: Yeah. We went home. You should have like, walked out and been like, you know what?

We just weren't feeling it. Can I have our, can we get our money back? 

Jake: Right. Yeah. Anyhow, that's, uh, that's how that went. But you know, that week will hopefully be better. Hopefully, hopefully. Cool. All right. I think it's time to, uh, keep this thing going forward. So let's, um, 

Matt: oh, champ Bailey.

Jake: Wait, so are you related to, is Champ related to you? Champ Bailey, we thought Common, 

Matt: the [00:25:00] Anchorman movie. The Anchorman movie has Champ a, a champ character, and we thought his name, we all thought his name was Champ Bailey. Right. But then it turns out it wasn't Champ Bailey at all. It's it's champ 

Lance: kind.

Matt: Champ kind. But Champ Bailey is like a, a. He's the Denver Broncos. Football player. Football player. Right. That's why retired linebacker. We all, we all like Misre, recalled his name. And so that's our sports anchor. 

Lance: Our sports anchor is, is chant. Bailey Ch Bailey, which is me. I am chant Bailey. He's here. 

Jake: We brought him out.

You've probably, oh, here's a little fun fact about Cameron. She knows nothing about popular culture. Pop culture to her is just so foreign. Kim, have you ever seen Anchor Anchorman? 

Camryn: No. I've never even heard of it. 

Matt: Okay. It's a comedy. It's a Will Ferrell. It's a Will Ferrell. Ferrell. I know 

Jake: who Will Ferrell is.

Okay. You're good. Barely. But there's a character in there and he's a sportscaster, so we are trying to play fun and Yeah, 

Lance: do and there it 

Jake: is. Yeah. Yeah. Ca Cameron was. I don't know where you were born, but I know that you lived for a significant amount of your time in a very remote part of Alaska. 

Camryn: It was.

Oh, wow. [00:26:00] Yeah. I, I lived in Anchorage, but I was homeschooled and then lived in small town Michigan for a while. Um, so just missed a lot of, and I grew up very, very religious pastors kids, so there was just not a lot of like exposure to pop culture. Mm-hmm. And then I went to college and just have been 

Matt: Yeah.

Camryn: Grinding kind of, and so I just haven't had a 

Matt: Where in Michigan were you? 

Camryn: Um, I was in the southwest corner. Okay. So kind of right above the Indiana border on the lake. 

Matt: Okay. Gotcha. I lived in Lansing in Grand Rapids for like four years. Yeah. I 

Camryn: was probably like 45 minutes from Grand Rapids. Yeah. 

Matt: That's cool.

That's a fun area. Anyway, just thought I'd share that. Hey champ. 

Lance: Yes. What's going on? Any sports? Yeah. Did anything happen in honor of Cameron, we are gonna start with women's racing. Yeah. Okay. There was the tour of the gala happened in New Mexico, silver Springs, New Mexico. And yes, it was a UCI race this year.

Uh, one of the few UCI road races that happened and we had a teammate down there racing, uh, Kylie Nel. [00:27:00] Yep. Uh, she was guest riding on a team on the AIS cycling mix team. 

Matt: Is that bode well for her like future? Yes. That's really cool. 

Lance: Yes, it does. She was guest riding, uh, just to get 

Matt: Yeah. 

Lance: Some experience with an actual team.

And their team actually won the general classification with Lauren Stevens. Do you recognize that name? Mm-hmm. Lauren Stevens is a legit, she's really quite good. And so Kali was able to be a do mystique for their. Person, she was able to lead out the sprinter in one of the races. She was able to, uh, help set her up for the final climb in one of the races.

And so have you guys 

Matt: heard, did, have you guys heard from her? Like, is, did she enjoy the process or she 

Lance: loved it? She's, she's back it tour de bloom this week. Okay. So Tour de Bloom in Wenatchee is, uh, I think that team is also doing Tour de Bloom, the ages cycling team. So, fantastic. So, and 

Camryn: isn't tour de Bloom also UCI this year or one stage of it is or something like that?

I'm not sure. [00:28:00] I think you're right. Yeah. Okay. I think that 

Lance: could be the case. Yeah. So we're just super proud of That's cool, Kylie and being able to ride for that team and so it's, it's all good. So good to go, Kylie. So that's what happened there. I don't even know what happened in the men's race. I know there was a lot of people there, but I was only following the women's race because I knew Kylie was in the race.

In other racing news, we did have the, um, liaise best Own liaise. The final, no, it's not the final, the third monument of the season. And uh, and what happened is exactly kind of what we thought would happen. Um, Todd A was set up very well by his team. He rode away with like 30 5K to go and nobody caught them.

I think he's getting 

Ian: boring, you know? Really? I think boring. 

Matt: I think I read some article that was like, is it getting boring? It's kind of getting boring. It's 

Ian: getting, kind of getting boring. 

Matt: But I think that's okay. I mean, yeah, he's just good. 

Lance: It, it, it, I don't think it was really that boring, but, [00:29:00] um, the, the, I think the interesting part of the race was the complete collapse of Remco.

Yeah. Yeah. There, there was, uh, there was definitely some, uh, that, that was the big question. Was it gonna be Todd a Remco? REMCOs run it a couple times, and Todd a's won it a couple times. And Todd a, um, it was a pretty stacked field. It was a pretty stacked field, but, uh, Remco just, he just cracked. Yeah. He just kind of fell apart with, you know, with, with only like 20 5K to go.

And there was kind of a moment I thought he quit the race because the camera was right on him as he was tailing off the back and he pulled over and stopped. And I thought, okay, is something happening? Is something wrong? And no, there wasn't something happening and there wasn't something wrong. The uh, 

Matt: do you think he 

Lance: was getting away from the camera?

He did not want the camera on him anymore, so I think I 

Matt: only, so I didn't watch [00:30:00] the actual race, but I just saw the headlines and Rim Co was just like, I'm not a robot. Yes. That's which I love said love that response. Right? It's like, 

Lance: yeah. Yeah. 

Matt: I mean, we, we all crack. Yeah. So, well, not all of us crack.

That's what happened 

Lance: with him. He just, Todd doesn't crack, somehow fell apart at that moment. And he ended up like 59th. I mean, he did like finish the race, but Yeah. But Todd a rode away with it 

Ian: just hasn't got the same training volume as the rest of the guys even said that said he's coming back from injury and, um, from serious injury and he just hasn't really good.

Hasn't done a really good week last week. Yeah. 

Lance: And it all just kind of fell apart. It's, 

Matt: yeah. I feel like there's. It's, there's, there's a lot of interesting little tidbits with this race. Um, I think that there was like a headline that read like Todd, a win, like podiums for the sixth time in a row, which is some sort of record within the classic season.

Right. There's just, there's, it's a, it's a cool race. 

Lance: It's a cool race. Yeah. I don't know for sure. 

Matt: It, it, I feel like this is a pretty cool time of year for cycling where we're, we're kind of like, we're kind of finishing up our like classics [00:31:00] timeframe. Yeah. And like we're about to move right into the last classic 

Lance: isn't until like September or something like that.

Yeah. But like, I think liaise 

Ian: based on the age is, is the most classic of the classics. It's old race. It's been going on for, it's the oldest of all. It's like something like the hundred and 10th edition, or, that's correct. I can't remember. It's been going on since the early 20th century. The other funny thing 

Lance: that happened was, uh, Ben Healy was in the mix and he got away with the other writer.

Uh, um. Took third Gucci, I think is his name, a Trek Lidl writer. But, um, after the race, so Ben Healey ended up third and uh, after the race, he went up to Todd and said, Hey, when are you retiring? He's like, the rest of us can't handle this. When, when are you retiring? And Todd said, oh, my contract goes through 2020 30.

So we'll see what happens after 2030. 

Matt: I feel like there was some other thing where they were just like, um, if you try and ride, sit on his wheel. 'cause he, they were talking about how he [00:32:00] just kind of explodes. He's like, if you try and sit on his wheel and go with him, you die. Yes. If you don't go with him, that's does that.

Right. Then you got a chance of like, you know. Okay. So I don't know. I feel, I feel like that's kind of where a lot of the riders are, but Yes, that's correct. So 

Lance: that's, that's really all that has happened. I guess that was really all worth talking about. There are a few other races that are going on, but.

Tour Gila and Lee best liaise. That was, we 

Ian: had fell on. Did we talk about that last week? Think. Um, did we talk about that was 

Lance: mid. We did. I, we talk about it anyway. I got You 

Ian: won that one too. Yeah, we did it on Thursday. You're 

Lance: confused again. You're the oldest one at the table, so I'm not surprised that you're your mind.

You guys are all 

Camryn: stealing my old jokes. Make of ourselves. That's pretty much the whole podcast. 

Lance: We make fun of ourselves enough so you can't hear it. 

Matt: Um, what's coming up? 

Lance: Um, anything? Nothing really hero what's coming up 10 days, but, but not for It starts in 10 days. Yeah. Yeah. 10 days. [00:33:00] Wow. Okay. Yeah. Sweet.

That's what's coming up. 

Matt: Crazy 

Ian: champ out man. CIO's not racing. The jro. Yay. Yeah. 

Matt: Who's, who's racing, do you know? I think. Is Wow. Like going for gc. 

Lance: I don't know if he's going for gc, but he, but we'll find out. Is 

Ian: rch. Yep. 

Matt: Rch gl. Yep. Rch. Yeah, he, he's the fa. He's gonna be a heavy favorite, right? I mean, yep.

Gotta stay on the bike, but, 

Lance: yep. 

Matt: Nice. Good job Champ. Champ 

EPO Chain Mail: out. 

Jake: All right. How about a little bit of this? 

EPO Chain Mail: I did it with nothing but my own blood, sweat and tears and extra blood. People don't. Yeah. You know, this is a sport with literally hundreds of dollars on the line and dozens of fans. The stakes are medium.

Come on. How do you beat the man on drugs if you not on drugs? Wait, did you just admit to being on drugs? The EPO Chain Mail. Send us a text with your questions. Forward this podcast to 15 people [00:34:00] and you'll lose 10 pounds overnight without even trying. You've 

Jake: got mail. Sounds good. Cameron, you've probably never heard that segment before, but this is a segment where our, I guess listeners, the three or four of them, electronic mail.

Electronic post office. Electronic post office. Okay. Sorry. E-P-O-E-P-O gmail. 

Lance: Isn't EPO illegal? Isn't that what you just said, Cameron? It's not illegal, it's just, um, yeah, not around upon, it's not allowed. I'm 

Jake: pretty 

Matt: sure it's illegal, 

Lance: it's 

Matt: legal. 

Jake: Any who, there's a little, uh, option when you're listening to the podcast on all the different players to send us a text message, which is actually kind of cool.

We don't get to see who you are. We don't get to see your number. We get to see where you're sending the text message from and that's about it. And people will ask us questions and make comments and make fun of us and it's pretty freaking awesome. Um, and speaking of if you're hearing this, do that, send us more stuff.

Uh, we do have one that came in, however, it's the same one as last week. So again, shame on you listeners for not seeing us. More stuff. Anyhow, uh, this one though, I I, I'm gonna table it [00:35:00] again. I kicked a can down to this week and then we had Cameron agree to come on the podcast and, um, it would be a thing where it would be like a whole nother podcast.

If we sat here and talked about, we could do a whole show on this question. There you go. So next week, next what? This will be our topic. You guys wanna hear like the, the one key word? The one like little teaser. 

Matt: EPO drugs. Oh, is it really? Oh man, I was just joking. Yes, please. With another drug, another drug topic.

Those are pretty interesting when we have these like wild tangents on drugs in the sport. Yep. Yeah. Oh, well, 

Jake: a lot of stuff to talk about and they had some actual good little questions and things that they want us to chat about. So we will, uh, we'll talk about drugs next week. That'll be fun. Let's, uh, talk about women's bike racing, cycling in all things Women on bikes.

Cameron. Yeah. Do you have anything to say about that? We got, we got some questions, we got some things we want to talk about. We want get your perspective. 'cause we're just a bunch of stupid guys that we're a bunch of old white guys. So if 

Lance: we need some better perspective than just four old white [00:36:00] guys. 

Jake: Uh Right.

I dunno. It's kinda like a Cameron hot seat. Matt, do you got any questions you wanna kick us off with? I think one 

Matt: of the big ones is how do we get more women riding bikes and feeling confident out there, like considering the sport. I think that's one of the big ones that I think a lot of people, because it's a fun sport when you get out there and you're doing it.

Jake: Can I ask a little precursor question to his question? Sure. Yes. Just to kind of lead into it. 'cause it was one of my questions and I think we maybe kind lead into a little bit. How long have you been riding bikes? What got you first started? How did you kind of catch that bug and just, you know, and how do, how did you get to where you are today?

I mean, you're wrenching on bikes, you're racing 'em, you're having fun riding 'em and all the things in between. How did that all start? 

Camryn: Yeah. So, um, my dad, when he lived in California, worked at a bike shop. Um, he raced a little bit, was super into it. Um, and kind of his side hustle when he was through his PhD was running a bike shop out of our garage.

EPO Chain Mail: Oh, wow. 

Camryn: Um, and so I was in there like wiping off bikes and whatever, and, um, [00:37:00] I was homeschooled, so my brother and I just rode bikes all the time. That was, I think most of my education was riding bikes around the block. Um, and then I stopped riding, stopped doing, um, stopped doing most things, bikes, um, into high school.

And then when I started working at REI kind of got back, got back into it, went mountain biking a couple times, and I was like, whoa, this is super, super sick. Um, and kind of just picked up the vibes of it. I had a bunch of really cool friends, um, that worked at REI. One of them was, um, an older woman who is she freaking shreds on a mountain bike.

She's so good. Um, and her and her partner were like, Hey, you should consider racing if you're this good. And I was like, oh, ha ha. I would never. Um, and then when I moved to Vancouver, got looped in with dialed and I think the first ride I went on was a fog hat ride and I got dropped and 

Jake: Oh wow. Yeah. 

Camryn: It was not great.

Yeah. In 

Jake: your defense though, you're coming off of a [00:38:00] knee surgery and Yes. That's like a social ride. We're we're going pretty easy. So you quickly kinda snapped back though. Yeah. And where are we at today? 

Camryn: Yeah, which is like, 

Lance: aren't you racing cat one and mountain bike? 

Camryn: Cat one. Mountain bike, cat two cross, cat 

Lance: two cross.

Camryn: Yeah. 

Lance: And haven't done a whole lot of 

Jake: road races, haven't done a lot of, any gravel races in your belt yet? 

Camryn: I have not done a gravel race. 

Jake: Plenty of gravel rides, but no gravel races. Yes. Gotcha. 

Camryn: Which on the, on the list for later. 

Jake: Cool. So that will roll right into, to Matt's question of. How do we get more women on bikes racing?

Camryn: Yeah. I think like a lot of things, just having an easy entrance. I know I've done a, a fair amount of like, uh, bike clinics with ladies, like how to change a flat. And I think, I think men are a little bit better at just saying like, all right, I'm gonna go try this thing. They don't have, I'm making generalizations here, but maybe not the same level of nervousness or lack of confidence going into something.

And I think that's [00:39:00] something a lot of women struggle with, especially in the sports realm. In a very new sport, very male dominated sport, is like, I don't even know where to begin. Um, and I don't know. So I think just improving confidence, like having clinics. I know there's a lot of women who race at a very high level in this area who have a lot of women's clinics, women's rides.

Mm-hmm. Gravel clinics for women. And I think that kind of thing that just builds self-efficacy mm-hmm. In the sport would be the biggest thing, like a smoother entrance into it. Gotcha. 

Jake: So I, I know, I guess it would be kinda like a safety in numbers kind of thing. If there's more women to be, easier for women to come in.

So the numbers just aren't quite the same as, you know, they're counterpart if you will. So just getting more women in would definitely help. But for those that are already in the mix, just be good, you know, stewards to the, the whole cycling community and really like reach out and, and try and pull more people in to make it more [00:40:00] accessible.

Camryn: Yeah. And maybe more education like this is what you need for your first ride. Or having loaner equipment for ladies to try out for their first time. Just to maybe mitigate the financial barrier a little bit. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And just the, I don't even know where to begin. 

Jake: Gotcha. Barrier. What would you say some of the biggest bottlenecks are for women in general?

Just getting into cycling. 

Camryn: Um, maybe general, and then this is coming from the bias perspective of a mechanic, but general bike knowledge I think would be a big one. Like, oh, I wanna go ride, but I don't know how to change a flat. Mm-hmm. I don't know what I need to get as far as a bike. I don't need know the gear.

I need to get, I don't know where to ride. I don't know who to ride with. 

Mm-hmm. 

Camryn: Are the things I think I've heard the most from other women. Um, and some women just don't like being that on, on the, uh, which you hear from men too. Like, I don't like being that close to cars. Um, 

Jake: yeah. That's tough. Yeah. Cool.

Um, so having more clinics, more [00:41:00] women reaching out and doing more stuff to educate them. What about from an equipment standpoint? Are there like issues there too? I mean, I, we hear this all the time. Like, the saddles are uncomfortable. These bikes, they're, they're too big, they're too small. I Is that a pretty common thing too, just.

Not having the right gear in general and being able to, I guess, kinda goes back into educating 'em. Right. Just to say that just because that's what's on there doesn't need to be what stays on there. 

Camryn: Yeah. I think, I think all of us have experienced it. You're off the bike for a little bit and get back on and it hurts.

It just is uncomfortable. You have to get used to it again. 

Intro: Yeah. 

Camryn: And I think just explaining that a little bit better, like sit in, it's gonna suck for the first two weeks you ride, go on a couple longer rides and it will get better. 

Intro: Yep. 

Camryn: Um, yeah, and I think maybe like bike fitting might be an important part of it and I don't know.

I don't know how much of that is women especially who haven't done a sport before, maybe just aren't used to. Like, sometimes things just suck a little bit. You just have to sit in and suffer a little bit. Yeah. 

Jake: Gotcha. So let's say you get them on the bike [00:42:00] and finally like, all right, I kind of like this.

This is fun. I found like a, something that I like and the people are really cool. How do you get them to pin on a number for the first time? That seems like a little bit taller of an ask. So it's like already dealing with a very small sample size. And then of that, I mean, what percentage of women want to actually pin on a number and go race versus just going for regular rides?

Camryn: I think that's a really good question. And I think how much of that comes down to like the actual, like differences between men and women and the competitive, like natural competitive nature? 

Yeah. 

Camryn: How many more men wanna go out and just compete Yeah. Than women. Um, but if that, I think if that was controlled for, if the culture, you see this in local races, the culture in men's races, it, the start line is very, very different than the culture in women's races.

Like we're out fist bumping and giving each other hugs and hyping each other up before a race. Mm-hmm. Um. And even during the race, it's like, Hey, passing you on your left. And you're like, yeah, yeah, you got it. Go [00:43:00] ahead. You know, good job. And that's, from what I've heard, not really the experience that a lot of men have.

You guys could all speak to that better, 

Lance: not, you don't get that as much For sure. Unless people making fun of me as they're passing me and I laugh back. Yes. 

Camryn: That's a you thing, Lance. Yeah, that's a me 

Lance: thing. 

Matt: It's interesting because I come from like a running background and I feel like women's running is excellent.

It's on par with guides running and like the fields are sometimes, especially in some of the road races, if anything, there might be more women than men. And, uh, um, so from a competitive standpoint, a lot of these women, again, they're, they're super competitive and they might not be quite as nice as some of the cycling, the, the women in the cycling field.

Um, you know, I, it might be different, you know, you're breathing hard constantly when you're running, so there might be a slight difference there. Like, there's not like that like. Go ahead. Right. I don't know. It's, it's interesting to think about it. 

Lance: It is making some inroads. Just looking at the [00:44:00] numbers from the gorge, Greel grinder this weekend.

Yeah. There were, there were about 150 women who competed, which is great. That's out of, out of 900. Yeah. Okay. But still, there was 150 women that lined up and that kind of 

Ian: makes a difference. Well, we were down in, in Arizona. Uh, yeah. How was that for the, um, valley of the Sun? I would, it seems like. Half the people down there were female.

It seemed like women. Wow. It was so good to see. There was a huge field of, of women, uh, racers. And the same with the Tucson Bicycle Classic. Correct. And the same on the Tucson Shootout. Like 

Matt: really? Yeah. It was tons of women. 

Camryn: Is that the difference between like recreational elite racers though too, where there's that it's a big stage race, so you're gonna see more even numbers because all of the illegal go race.

Yeah, absolutely. It's a 

Ian: national level race, and so you're, you That's a good point. The pool of people showing up for the race is larger anyways. And, and people coming from all over the country that, you know, that's, that's the thing. It's a struggle locally to have [00:45:00] larger women's fields in races. And then that in itself, I feel as a deterrent.

Like I, I know, I know women on the Dallas cycling team that don't come to road races because they're like, I don't get anything out of it. I'm here with a, there's a field of five people. Yeah. And I won. Woo-hoo. You know, it's like. Because the fields are small, that's also a discouragement. But then what do you do to grow those fields?

Yep. And that, I think that is a part of amateur racing, especially on the road that you, you have to cater to, you know, the. Fields are more dispersed. You have age groups, you have masters. You, you need to have a lot of fields. And so consequently, some of those are gonna be small. 

Matt: How do you manage the women's field, like categories versus men's field for a race?

Like the, you know, time trial. Time trial is it? Or, or Barton Park for, yeah. For any of these races that you put on. What, I mean, I do you, 

Ian: in an ideal [00:46:00] world, different, you'll always race with your peers, you know? Yeah. If you're a 20-year-old cat three women, you have a Cat three women's field period, but it just doesn't work out that way.

So can you look at the numbers and be the end of the day, you end up combining fields, which is never great. Yeah. You know, there's always a compromise in there, but the alternative is to have a field of three or four people, which is. 

Camryn: Not fun. Just not fun 

Ian: for anybody. That's 

Camryn: something I've experienced. The few road races I've done.

Yeah. We have phenomenal women on our team, but if they're not at a race, I, I feel like half the fun of a road race is that team dynamic and getting to work together. Yes. Yeah. And it turns into a solo race where you're alone competing against another team that might have four or five women working together.

And that's, that kind of makes the joy of racing go away a little bit where it's like, oh, I'm missing half the race that I could be experiencing 'cause I'm 

Ian: Yeah. 

Camryn: Tee teeing this, whatever it is. Yeah, for 

Ian: sure. I mean, if you contrast that with the race we did on Sunday [00:47:00] where women and the men and all ages and all abilities all start together, we have the same, um, starting time only start.

Yeah. The distances 

Lance: all sorted together. But you, you kind of think 

Ian: actually that sort of works because, um. For example, women are encouraged to race because there's a lot more of you there in the field. And as it turns out, not racing strictly with people of your age or in your race category is not always such a bad thing.

Like I ended up with a group of people that were 20, 30 years younger than me. I don't know what race category they we're at, but you find yourself in a similar, uh, a group of people of similar abilities, which is what you want, which is perfect. And, and that's how 

Matt: they do running road races too. It's like, yeah, a mass start all, all mass start.

So it's, unless, 

Lance: unless it's a really professional race where money is on the line, then the women have their own start times. Yeah. It's just like [00:48:00] in the life Grand Lifetime Grand Prix this year. Yeah. The women all have a separate start and are, are not allowed to draft off of men for the, for the pro races for.

For the Left Grand Prix, and 

Matt: we've talked about that on the podcast. 'cause it becomes like a super interesting race dynamic when you're like, okay, sprint for two miles, get on some guy's wheels. Right. And then like, and, and even like some guys working with their or wife or whatever. Pretty Yes. That happened a pretty cool last 

Lance: few years where, where women had teammates or partners who would 

Matt: pace them, 

Lance: pace them for miles.

It's, and that's not, it's not allowed in Lifetime Grand Prix this year. And the women get their own start and drafting isn't allowed. So I think the more coverage there is for women's racing or for, you know, talking about results or talking mm-hmm. Because there's good stories there. There's very interesting, good stories.

Oh yeah. Just, just like watching. Peter say out sprint, Demi voling in the, you know, in flush alone this last [00:49:00] week. Yeah. That was freaking amazing to watch. And it was more exciting finish than the men's race was. Yep. So it's just a matter fun, the, the 

Ian: downside of having everybody race together. So if all the women race together in one big race, it's a better experience.

It's a, it's a, a more fun race. Right. But you don't know, the end of the day you, if you are interested in results, um, you don't know who your competition is. That's what we found on Sundays. Like, well, who, which, which guys am I actually racing against 

Matt: in triathlon? They write on the back of your leg. Yeah, they should.

Yeah. Should all, we should follow whatever triathlon does is the way that all cycling should go. It wouldn't be hard, 

Ian: right? It wouldn't be hard to have different colored number or, there's a couple races where I've 

Lance: been calf marked. Yeah. At at bike races. What does it say 

Matt: on there? Old, old man. 

Lance: It puts like, they put your wave number on there, so you know.

Okay. I'm competing against the people in this wave. Do they just 

Matt: like gr draw like a gray-haired old man on the wr on the [00:50:00] back of your leg? Just wrinkles? Just wrinkles? Just wrinkles. Just wrinkles. Okay. 

Jake: Um, I just outta curiosity, I don't know, I kind of seen this in triathlon a little bit. Mets, I think we talked about this a little bit before too, but a lot of times somebody will come into a sport with a goal of like wanting to do something, achieve something, and then once they check that box, they'll move on to something else.

I. I, I don't know if that, is that pretty prevalent in triathlon? Like, a lot of people will come and say, I'm gonna do a triathlon, and they'll like work up to maybe do like a half Ironman or something like that. Yeah. They'll do a couple sprints in an Olympic and they'll go do their half and then all of a sudden they're done and off to something else.

You 

Matt: get two people, you get, you get the either like, I'm gonna do a triathlon and they do their a sprint and then they're done. Or you get the, I'm gonna do an Ironman and they train for a year, maybe two years. They do an Ironman. Sometimes they finish and then they're done. Yeah. And then you have this tiny, tiny, tiny little sliver of people that just keep, they, they enjoy it and they keep doing it and they do a lot of stuff.

So, I dunno. 

Jake: Do, do you feel like we see a lot of that in women's racing in general? I mean, I feel like they get into the sport and they, they like it, they fall in love with it. They [00:51:00] have fun for a year or two, and then they're like, no, I'm gonna go try something else now. I mean, I've, I've kind of seen that, I mean, we do have women on our team that have been around for many years now and still come out to all the races, but some have kind of like come and gone.

But again, that's kind of part of life too. Like things ebb and flow, I mean. I, you, you haven't seen me in very many races in the last two years, and that's just because of life. You know, you're injured or having issues with like, you know, being broken. God, just so many different things will come out and I will be back.

But is it more prevalent with women? Is that something that happens there? And if so, how do we get 'em back? 

Camryn: Yeah, I think so. And I think it's that like it's harder to prioritize racing or fitness when a, I can't imagine like having a family and trying to prioritize a family within that. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I think, 

Lance: but, but gender roles are changing a little bit.

Yes. And they have, over the last 15 years, 20 years, gender roles have changed, you know, changed enough that it's not frowned upon like it would've been 20 years ago, thank [00:52:00] goodness. Because really there's no reason for the, you know, stigma. 

Camryn: Yeah. 

Lance: Yeah. 

Camryn: I see a lot of girls getting burned out, like have a ton of fun racing, go all out, do all the races every year for two years, and then it's like, man, I'm not having fun anymore.

Um, and stop racing, but keep riding. Yeah. 

Jake: I could see that being an issue too. 'cause if you're like all into it and you're like, I am so invested in this and I absolutely love it, and I'm gonna do all the things and, and all the training and get all the best gear, and I show up to a race and I'm racing against three or four other people.

Yeah. It's just like, all right. Frustrating. How, how, how is this benefiting me? I mean, I don't know. Can, would, would that dynamic or would that mindset change if they showed up and there was consistently 20, 30, 40 women in their category showing up to race, making it a lot more fun? 

Camryn: Yeah. I think it would, I know if, I know if PIR.

Monday night races had a lot more people, I'd be a lot more inclined to show up more consistently. Sure. I think about trophy cup, uh, cycle cross. I was gonna bring that up. Yeah. [00:53:00] Is this last year, I think a couple of the races, um, had pretty even numbers for a couple of the categories, men and women. 

Lance: Wow.

Well, one of the thing that Clint did was he made the women's beginner field Free. Free, yeah. Seats. Yeah. Women, it's a, and they showed up 

Camryn: low stakes race. Yes. It's a absolute riot. Like there's, if you haven't been or know what it is, there's just like stroke lights everywhere and kids are throwing candy at you and people are screaming and there's commentators and it's fun.

It's a Tuesday night party. Yeah. Yeah. And it's fun. And there's no stakes. People are out there on like junk bikes that they have no business racing on and. I would say it's the easiest, like lowest barrier to entry race. And you see women keep showing up to that race? Yes. And then start racing cycle cross because of it.

Jake: Gotcha. Are there any stigmas with any of the different disciplines that maybe I. Kind of are like sour women on, on the said discipline. Is there anything that you can speak to? [00:54:00] 

Camryn: Um, I know this is coming from a person who races on the dirt for the most part too, is we all kind of have a stigma against road racers.

Intro: Yeah. 

Camryn: Ian,

they tend to be a jerky bunch. Just jealous. Georgie jealousy. 

Ian: Really? Gosh, 

Camryn: yes. Jealous of the white shoes. That's the. 

Jake: So what is that stigma? Is it that the, the guys who do a lot of that racing and if they show up to like group rides, they're kind of a-holes? I mean, is that kind of the problem or Yeah. Is it too much machismo out there and they're like, yeah, this is not my cup of tea?

Camryn: I think a little bit. I mean I love that on the flogging ride we have a women's cat, like women's start now. Yeah. I think that's been fantastic when women show up 

Jake: and that's the operative word is when I, I don't think a single woman has showed up for any of the women's groups yet this year and we've had four of them.

So that's a bit of a bummer. 'cause we have in years past have had some pretty decent sized groups and you know, for the most part, I, I dunno, I don't like to like separate them out 'cause [00:55:00] there's a lot of time that the women. Stronger than the the D group and stronger than the B group or a C group. And they can hang with the A group or B group, and they, they actually do.

So I dunno, I just to lump them all in and say, all right, we're gonna go about this fast. And then all of a sudden it's like, ah, we're not supposed to drop each other. Well then that kind of defeats the spirit of the ride. So, I don't know, I, I've kind of always had a little bit of an internal conflict there, but I dunno, what, what do you think?

Camryn: Um, the couple times that I've gone out and I have rolled out with the women's group, we've separated ourselves, there's usually been more of a party pace and more of a, a quicker pace. Go fast. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and I think that's worked pretty well again, when there's the numbers to make that work. Sure. And we're not gonna leave one newer gal out there mm-hmm.

To try to figure out the flogging ride alone. So that, I see what you're saying there where it's like, yeah, we're not gonna drop somebody, but this is a race pace ride. Sure. So again, comes back to there's just not enough. Women that show up. Yes. Yeah. 

Ian: Out of PAR Monday nights, you, you'll [00:56:00] often see more women in the open field.

Um, like when I raced the one, two threes, there's, there's probably 10 or 15 women in there out, out of a field of 60 70. 

EPO Chain Mail: That's awesome. 

Ian: Which is probably a bigger field than the, than the exclusive women's field. And they do. Well, you know, it's, they're competitive people. Sure. And, um, yeah. 

Jake: Cool. Lance, you got any other questions for Cameron regarding the, the women's cycling stuff?

Lance: Where, where would you really like to see it go? I mean, what, what are the things that you personally have kind of experienced or gone through that had made you go, Hey, I don't wanna be a part of this or that. Is that, is, that is a gender basis that I just don't feel is well, or, and or on the other side, how do we change those things?

Camryn: That's a good question. Um, and kind of a broad one. It it was too [00:57:00] broad probably. I think this men and women both don't know things and I think men and women realizing that they don't know things and being okay with that and being maybe better at learning, like Lance don't mansplain to me. Right. But no, I think maybe more education in general for men and women in like mechanics works or rate, like how to draft, how to be in a group together, um, I think would be helpful and maybe break some of those barriers between men and women.

Um, not that I think that every ride should be o like open to both. I think there should be women specific rides and men specific rides, if that's what they want. 

Jake: And you've done some pretty awesome stuff with that. And, um, sorry, we're getting a little buzzier, I'll fix that in a second. But you've done like women specific rides.

How do those usually go and what's the, what's the take on those? 

Camryn: They're always awesome and it [00:58:00] always, the, the vibe depends on who shows up. If somebody who's a little slower shows up, we'll adjust the route. We'll adjust the pace. Sure. If it's all the gal that we race together and we all go out and ride together, it'll be a quick ride.

Um, 

Jake: so just having more people that are willing to do that kind of stuff would be awesome. 

Camryn: Yeah. 

Jake: Now. Can you, like just from your personal experience, like think all things Cameron and all things cycling and those things melting together, what are some experiences or what are some takeaways? What are some things that you could throw out there to women like, Hey, you should really consider this and you know, I don't know how many women listen to this podcast, but you could for sure like say, Hey guys, you probably know some women, like this is kind of what we're thinking.

Or this is, these are some things that, that it's done for me. What could you say to speak to that? 

Camryn: It's fun. Like racing riding is so much fun and I think as soon as you have that little bit of, of base fitness to actually go out and compete or even just Sure. Make it through a quicker ride. 

Intro: Yeah, 

Camryn: we were like, dang, we're bombing some downhills here.

Or hey, I finally have the [00:59:00] technical skills that I can go on a mountain bike ride with my friends. And I think the women and guys that ride being patient with the women around you who maybe don't have the experience and yeah, if you have to tow up, up a hill, tow 'em up a hill so they get to bomb the downhill like 

Intro: mm-hmm.

Camryn: I think as soon as they, I know as soon as I got that experience of like, oh, this is, this is so much fun. It makes me want to go out and train and try harder and show up to the races and the hard work. It's cliche, but the hard work pays off where it's like, okay, I, I went out and rode 10 hours this week and the next week flogging ride was a lot easier.

Yeah. Cool. 

Jake: It's kind of amazing how you almost get addicted to that. 

Camryn: Yeah. 

Jake: It's, it's a, it's a weird dynamic to like, just go out there and absolutely punish yourself and like, thank you. May I have another? Yes. It's such a cool dynamic. So 

Ian: it's, it's a perfectly natural thing as well to be intimidated by something, something new or taking it up to the next level.

It's always intimidating when you look around. You, there's, there's plenty to [01:00:00] be intimidated about in, in, in, on certain rights. Right. But I think, um, I. It's harder, and this is big generalization as well, but it's maybe harder for guys to admit that they're intimidated and that they're, they're just gonna push through and do it anyway and not say anything about it.

So there's that. 

Camryn: I think that's true. And like Lance said, a lot of things are changing in general in society. Mm-hmm. And it's, I think it's a hard conversation to talk about without talking about bigger societal things like 

Intro: Yeah. What Right. 

Camryn: Have women been shown in media? A lot of it isn't women. I mean, think about Red Bull Rampage, like, what was the, like women's downhill that got added and then taken away and then the women were like, are you kidding me?

Why'd you take 

Intro: it away? Mm-hmm. 

Camryn: Yeah. And as soon as they add it, women come out and absolutely rip. Like they crush it. It's watched, it's advertised. It's in no way a negative. And it's just not out there. I think that's right. 

Ian: There's [01:01:00] certain sports have been from the get go for, for both, for all genders, right.

I'm thinking, I don't know, like, like, like skiing, right? Yeah. For example, yeah. When people started holding ski races, swimming, um, it was both, it was all genders from the beginning. Whereas Cycling's been a, a man's sport for so many, you know, it's got a lot of history. Decades, decades of history. Um, and, and through 90% of that, it's been basically a men's only thing.

So, and you see that, that's your, that that's your exposure to cycling is, is watching the, watching it on the tv, watching it at pro level. And when you don't see, uh, people that represent you, you know, you, you don't feel like you, you need to be included. Right. 

Camryn: And when you're a kid, how many, like little boys get a bike for their birthday?

Yeah. And a girl gets a dollhouse. Right. Where it's like the base hasn't been set up where then a woman gets on a bike and she doesn't have the same bike handling skills. 'cause it wasn't ingrained from the [01:02:00] time she was four. 

Intro: Yeah. 

Camryn: And I see those things changing more now. Like, hey, it's my daughter's birthday, we're getting her a bike.

Matt: Yeah. Yeah. 

Camryn: But 

Matt: have you as a mechanic seen a lot of sexism because I, I'm, here's my sexist remark, the industry's ramping. Ready? Are you ready for this? I'm thinking about like, oh, if I was in a group ride and like had a mechanical issue. And, you know, like you and Jake come up to me, I'd be thinking like, oh, Jake, Jake will help me with this.

I wouldn't immediately be like, Hey, the mechanic here should be the one I should be asking for help. Right. Like, it's the, that's problem. This 

Jake: is learning the, the intricacies of our little table set up here. Sorry. Sorry, go ahead. 

Matt: The, yeah. So I imagine that there's a fair amount of sexism from the mechanic side of things.

Camryn: Yeah, I've, and. Over prefacing this. Yeah. Overall it's been wonderful. Men and women have been wonderful. I've wrenched for a lot of events. [01:03:00] Yeah. And 

Lance: it's so cool to see a woman wrenching at these big races that we've been doing, and Cameron's been doing that this last year. A lot of the second cross events.

She does a great job 

Jake: with it too. And if a guy does give her just a little bit of like side eye or a little bit of flack or like a little bit of attitude, she does such a great job of putting no problem putting in, in their place without being like unprofessional about it, which is pretty cool. And I've purposefully at the lab made sure that I don't step up and, and say things and I'll, I'll just like, she's gonna answer your question and she does a fantastic job.

Lance: You know, Cameron's influence has changed the way I have acted on some group rides myself, because there's been, there were a couple times, there was a time this winter when I was in Tucson, I was riding with a former professional cyclist woman. A couple other very strong men, and she flatted on the ride.

She flatted because I didn't point out a hole good enough, and she hit it and it was partially my fault. But, um, she flatted and we pulled over and she started working [01:04:00] on changing her tire and instead of just instinctively wanting to take over. 

EPO Chain Mail: Yeah, 

Lance: because that would be my instinct initially is to be a provider and a helper and to, and to solve the problem.

Exactly. That would be my instinct. It was. No, 

Matt: but here's my question, like, did you think to yourself, she can handle this better than anyone, or because you know her? Or did you Th. Or were you like, I'm I'm, I don't do this to anyone now. Like, I don't do this to any women or whatever 

Lance: it was that it was, you don't, 

Matt: you 

Lance: don't step in unless you're asked to step in.

Uh, 

Matt: what about me? What if I had a fly? You would know me. You'd be like, damn, flag dramatically. I'd be like, you'd be like, Matt doesn't know what he's doing. I know. 

Lance: I'd sit down and start scrolling Instagram while you'd take, as long as you want film. Let's film this. I'm just gonna film. I only have so much idiotic, I have so much hard drive here, but we're gonna try to film 

Matt: this.

Lance: But no, eventually the woman said, Hey, could you help me? And I'm like, of course. IWI I'd be happy to, she just couldn't get the [01:05:00] tire back on the rim 'cause it takes a a little more strength. Fingers. I'll to lemme 

Jake: just ask you a quick question then. Cameron, let's say you're in that position and you start doing your own thing.

Would you be offended if I were just to say, lemme know if you need help. 

Camryn: No, and I think that would be the perfect thing to say, like, I'm here to, to help, help, help. I have a toolkit or Let me know if you need anything. But I think it's when the guys like jump in and like expect that you can't do it. Yes.

That grinds my gears a little bit. Yes. 

Matt: And it should. And it should. Yeah. But, and, and it's gotta be massively pervasive in the cycling industry. I just think to myself, like, I could see myself doing that and being like, oh, that was really shitty of me to do. Right, right. The 

Camryn: only time I've seen that there's been one or two times at cycle cross races that I've gotten like a surprised, oh, you're the mechanic.

Mm-hmm. But it's always in good faith. Like it's just like, yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Um, but at the triathlons that I've worked, yeah, I've seen more, I've gotten more comments, especially from men who have worked on bikes in the past who just wanna come make a comment like, oh, you used a tire [01:06:00] level tire lever on a carbon rim.

And it's like, dog, I'm putting on tubeless Pelli P Zeros. Yes I did. It'll be okay. 

Jake: Sure did buddy. 

Camryn: And everything's okay. 

Jake: And he's like, oh, by the way, can you pop up my tire for me? Yeah. Sorry, I don't how to 

Camryn: un unscrew a oppressive valve stem. Yeah. What's 

Matt: exactly triathletes man? Uh, yeah, but overall 

Camryn: working at REII got a few, like 

Jake: They taught you how to pump up tires.

Camryn: They did, and I got a few flat out. Oh, is there a man here that can help me with this? What Comments? Oh, geez. Yeah. But since I've been at the lab and at most of the cycling events have been, I'm pretty okay. Yeah. Guys have been good. 

Jake: Good. Would you describe yourself as being a bit of a unicorn in the cycling world?

Uh, somebody who is super passionate about it, loves racing them, loves riding them, loves building community, loves teaching people, loves, like, works as a mechanic. I mean, you're like the, the, the Quintessentials [01:07:00] women cyclist, I mean. I think I can think of a couple of them here in, actually in the Portland area.

Yeah. But this is such a, a, a cycling dense area with a lot of great shops and some great women that work there. But on the whole, I mean, how many of 'em are there in the, the country 

Camryn: I've met, I, I personally know two Brenna and then the girl who was wrenching for, um, cross Crusade before me. Isabella?

Isabella. Isabella? Yes. Okay. And she is a suspension expert in Seattle now. Like all she does is work on suspension and she's actually part of the reason that I tried Cycle Cross and was interested in wrenching for them. 'cause I was like, this is so sick that there's a female mechanic out here who's racing Cat two or three or whatever.

She was racing at the time, who's competent? The men love and trust her. And I was like, man, I wanna be her when I grow up one day and then mm-hmm. Two years later, get to fill her shoes. It was like an absolute honor. But also she, she created that pathway. Yeah. And that's really cool. And I would love to see.

When I get back, I would love to keep doing it or see [01:08:00] another female mechanic fill it. That would be so cool. It's, 

Lance: Brandon taught me how to, how to tape bars, how to do bar tape. Oh yes. Yeah, 

Matt: it's cool. What else guys? I was just thinking, it's like kind of to the unicorn comment, it's kind like engineering, which is super, I mean, I know it's not women in STEM specific engineer, but like it, it's more women 

Lance: in stem.

Matt: Yeah. It's the double whammy of cycling and engineering. Almost like that's like, that seems very male dominated. Yes. Yeah. 

Camryn: And I, I've been in a lot of, I did Juujitsu Okay. Pretty competitively for a long time. And then I've been involved in like flying airplanes. My dad and I are building an airplane in the garage and 

Intro: Wow.

Camryn: And I think being comfortable in male dominated areas has helped me. I. Kind of going strong and feel a little bit more confident. Mm-hmm. And I think as society changes a little bit with that, it would be super cool to see more women kind of follow suit in, in cycling. 

Jake: You've accomplished a lot [01:09:00] and I, my head goes off to you, you know, kudos.

What goals do you still have in the world of cycling? 

Camryn: Yes. So, um, deployment, I'll be back in April if I am able to get a big girl job teaching somewhere. That is fantastic. And that will be my priority for at least a year, 

Intro: Uhhuh. 

Camryn: Um, if I don't, because jobs are hard to find right now, I wanna train my butt off and go to cycle cross nationals.

EPO Chain Mail: Ooh, okay. That'd be a little sweet. There you go. 

Camryn: And I think the end of the last cycle, cross season went to MFG Raced Pro one twos finished on the lead lap. I was few minutes behind Paola who won, and then Aaliyah Shafi, who just won Redlands. Yes. She was the GC winner. Mm-hmm. Was second and. I was probably five or six minutes off of them, and that's after riding my bike like a thousand miles that year.

So 

Jake: yeah, not very much is what you're getting at. 

Camryn: Yeah. 

Jake: Any other like goals for any other disciplines or [01:10:00] any like big races that you wanna race? Any bucket list things? We kind of talked about bucket list stuff recently on the podcast. 

Camryn: I would love to do a road stage race. I think just getting a little more comfortable with the stage race would be cool and gravel, but I love mountain biking and cyclecross so much.

I think the technical skills are where I excel. 

Intro: Sure. 

Camryn: And I would love to use that. And just, and talking about women in cycling, I would love to get more women in cycling, do more clinics, be more consistent with women's rides, work with other women who are big in the industry here and just get stuff rolling.

Like bring it in. I think I have a good personality to bring people into stuff and just getting people going with. With cycling, women going younger women coaching younger girls. Sure. Yep. So sick. That would be so sick. 

Jake: One more question from me and then I'll shut up. Do you have any dream bike builds for any of the disciplines?

Ooh, that's a good question. Like if, if it were just magically show up on your doorstep tomorrow, like I'm sure you've got [01:11:00] something in, in like the forefront of your brain. Like I would love to have this bike for the road, for mountain, for gravel. Like what are those bikes? 

Camryn: Yes. Um, I have it all written out on my computer actually.

Um, dream bike build, if I could just have one would be a custom titanium gravel bike. Um, kind of like the, um, surrogates bike that can kind of do anything with it. Carbon floors, animal. Yeah. Well, animal, yes. Um, can put bigger six fifties on there if you want to. Yeah. Uh, I love the look of whiskey components.

Sure. Um, I follow suit, the rest are dialed, swam red. Would be sweet. Yep. Um, I love Chris King. That would probably be my, like green belt bike. Yeah. 

Jake: Yeah. What about for, do you have like a road bike that you're like super keen on? Or what about a mountain bike too? I mean, 'cause I know that you kind of like all of those disciplines.

Yes. I mean, what would, what would those bikes be? 

Camryn: Um, mountain biking. Honestly, right now, I, [01:12:00] if it had better components. The mountain bike, I'm on like a hardtail. BMC is, is so sweet. The, I'm wearing the zip shirt, but the zip, the new zip, uh, cross Country Wheels that came out, I got to test ride those for a little bit.

Those were phenomenal. 

Intro: Sure. 

Camryn: Uh, so I think like a carbon hardtail frame with, I'm not, I don't know how I feel yet about electronic shifting. I. Working on. It's fun. I think it's super, super cool. But there's something I just like about mechanical. Yeah. 

Jake: For just the off-road stuff. For all disciplines. 

Camryn: Maybe for all disciplines, really.

I don't know. I think I just know. I know how to fix it if something goes wrong and I don't know how to do, yeah, 

Matt: something do. Yeah. If there's, I mean, there's nothing like a lot of the electronic stuff, you're like, well, some circuit board in there, like there's not, there's nothing to do there, right? Yeah.

There's nothing to work with. Whereas like this cable. I can work, I can work with this cable. You and I think that's really smart. 

Jake: And that's fine. And that's fair when you're at home and the bike can be up in the stand. Yeah. But I mean, how many times have you seen [01:13:00] somebody who have a mechanical something then like a, you know, a cable snap out on a ride versus somebody that had like their rear trailer just kaput.

I mean, and yeah, your battery could die, but with cera it's pretty easy to have one of those little spare batteries. So I think I've seen more cables break than I've seen people like, oh man, this is gonna be a long ass ride home. Because I, um, my, my electronic shifting just stopped working. 

Camryn: Yeah. I dunno.

That's true. And maybe it's a little bit of a, I know I can't afford it, so I'm not gonna convince myself that I want it yet, but as soon as I can give it time. Give it time, yeah. 

Jake: That's cool. Um, but any particular road bike or mountain bike? Well, you kinda like your mountain bike. You keen on the hard tail.

You wouldn't go full squish. 

Camryn: I think I'd go full squish if I got into maybe a dis different discipline instead of cross country mountain biking. Okay. Um, but I think the, the weight trade off, if I could find a full suspension that was the exact same weight, I might go for it. Yeah. But there's something that doesn't exist yet.

Yeah. Not quite. And I, there's no cross country race in this area that I've [01:14:00] done that you need a full suspension for. 

Jake: That's fair. Fair question for fair answer. Cool. Um, like I said, I am done asking questions. You guys have anything else that you would like to ask Cameron? I'm good. Bueller? Bueller. Bueller.

All right. Well thank you very much. Yes. That was awesome. Is there anything that we left out? Anything that you wanna say? Any like little like. Putting your explanation or exclamation mark on this, what 

Camryn: do you guys think from that? You want to see from women in cycling? Like is there something that's like, oh, if a woman did X, Y, Z, we'd be more inclined to invite her on this ride, or something that, that you guys think that women could do better in cycling?

Matt: I can't think of anything that where're where I'd be like, oh, now we're gonna invite this person onto the ride. I think it's more, unless they're like mean, you know, like we generally don't invite mean people onto rides. So I mean that's, I don't, I don't think that there's anything specific that like women need to do to then be [01:15:00] invited to, to do a certain ride with the group or whatever.

I do think that there's, there's gotta be a way to, um, I think sometimes it just takes like a, like a personality, like you, like yours to just be like, just out there like inviting people. Like, Hey, gotta do this ride. I have a friend and she's. Loud and she's crazy and whatever, but she will like hound you.

She'll be like, what about Saturday? Let's ride. And then she'll be like, and then she'll text you again like, alright, Saturday we're, we're on right for a ride. And then I'll just be like, I guess we are. Uh, and we'll go ride. So, but I think it takes that, it takes someone, whether it's a guy or girl, whatever, I don't think it matters, but it's like someone to be a little bit pushy to get the group to, to ride and to get a decent sized group going.

Someone pushy. Just need more ambassadors in general. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 

Jake: That fit that mold right there. I think that'd be fantastic. And I just, I, I love it when women show up and they jump in groups and you're like, oh, she's gonna ride with this group where she's gonna ride in that race. And I love it when they handle their [01:16:00] business.

And I don't know if this is appropriate to say, but I love seeing guys getting ticked. I mean, that's what we've called it. I don't know if that's inappropriate anymore. That's me, you on Sunday. Um, but I, I love that more than anything because it's just a testament to like, this sport is so dynamic and there's so many different ways that you can get involved.

And if you just do the hard work, you can really. Put yourself out there and do some cool stuff. And I love seeing cool stuff, which you've done. So, yeah. Cool. Very good. Love it. Love it. Cool. All right, well let's, uh, put a pin in that and say thank you to Cameron and let's jump into one last thing, Matt, the ground.

What's, what's on tap? 

Matt: I always start with the one last thing because I dunno, I dunno why I do, but I think, I don't know. Um, I put out two videos last week and I don't know if I talked about 'em already. Talk about 'em again. They did some views. They'd meet people to watch them. One of them? Yeah. Okay. So the last one I posted was the Apple Watch after 10 years, so on, I want to say Thursday, they had their 10 year anniversary that the watch has been on [01:17:00] sale.

So posted a video about that and it's very like, um. After Effects heavy, which is kind of like, um, animation heavy whatever, where you're, you're looking at a timeline of the Apple history or whatever. So 

Jake: it's a good little documentary almost. Yeah, 

Matt: go check that one out. If you want to reminisce on Apple Watches.

And the next video coming up is probably on a Google Wear OS watch, which I haven't really reviewed a lot of these. Um, Google, Android Wear os watches, uh, mostly because I've been on the Apple side of things for a long time. But, um, this one's actually quite good. It's called the One Plus Watch three and, uh, looks like this for those of you guys that are sitting at the table and not listening to the podcast.

But it's got like a five hour, or sorry, it's got like a five day battery. It's quite good. And, um, checks all the boxes. So that'll probably, that video will probably come out in another week or so. I get my button gear. 

Jake: We'll come back to you, Cameron. You can, uh, come up with one last thing that you want to Oh, yeah.

Anything we can share with us all, uh, Gibo. 

Ian: [01:18:00] Yeah. Well, you know what I'm gonna say, right? It's a week and a half way to the Barden Park Road race. Oh my. All my mental energy has been putting into this, but good. It's frustrating, right? I, and I'm, I'm as guilty of this as the next person signing up for the race at the last minute.

Yeah. I'm like, I don't know how I'm gonna feel, what my legs ares gonna be like, what the weather's gonna be like. How many other people are gonna show up? I'll leave it. And as a promoter, it's, it's like, it stresses me out because, um, we've, you know, we've made a big commitment and financially in there now, and, uh, you're just wondering, is it gonna work out?

Could is, is this gonna happen this year? Sure. Am I gonna lose my shirt? Yeah. Am I gonna look like a fool? Because all my fields have only got three riders in them, or Oh, no. But I think it's gonna be fine. What It's like, it, it, it's the way it is. People sign up at the last minute, but please sign up. 

Jake: What is the biggest thing, in your opinion, that makes people wait until the last minute?

[01:19:00] Is it, let's see how the weather's gonna be. I, it's weather. Is it more like my weather For me, listen, I wanna see who signs up to race first. 'cause if so and so shows up, I'm not going 'cause I'm not gonna be able When do you think it's that or is it a mix of all kinds of stuff? 

Ian: I think it's, it's basically the weather and, but also, and also, you know, we're all amateurs, cyclists, you don't know what else is gonna be on your plate that weekend.

You know, is, is my kids' soccer match going ahead? Yeah. Or is it, mm-hmm. You know, like all of these, all of these things that we have to deal with, it's understandable. Um, what is 

Jake: your refund policy? Or do you have one? 

Ian: I just leave that with, yeah. Okay. Um, yeah, people, is it like 

Jake: once you sign up though, is it, you're, you're locked and in and you can't Pretty much Yeah, 

Ian: pretty much.

I mean, you know, we're not gonna give somebody a refund because it's raining. Right. 

Jake: True. I mean, but what if you were to say 72 hours, you know, up until 72 hours you can do a refund. Would that be still up to obra? Still up to, yeah. And there's all these 

Matt: fees involved when you're [01:20:00] talking about credit card processing, think it's Brett, don't get those fees back.

I don't know any 

Lance: other promoter that gives a refund that 

Jake: late in the day. Or what if you had the option to like, sell them some sort of insurance policy to like be able to cancel? Yeah, I guess maybe that's a, just an extra bit of money that you, I mean traditionally, I mean 

Ian: traditionally the way, the way to encourage people to sign up early is to increase your fees for a day of, 

Matt: that's what I think you should do.

Ian: But I don't think even that, I don't think discourages people, you know, um, does 

Matt: it not discourage them? 'cause they're just gonna pay the extra fee. Well, that's more money in your pocket. Then it's gonna increase the, increase that number until it hits 'em hard enough. Right. Where it's like it's $25 if you do it.

Some people do. Yes. Two months before. 

Ian: Sometimes it's double the amount. I saw, I think you should One race recently where it it, they said, we'll accept a day of entries, but it's gonna be Yeah, double. But then, but then you're gonna miss out on those, on those people, so they're not gonna be there. 

Matt: How stressful is it for you then?

Right? Like then Yeah. Then you're just like, well, I guess [01:21:00] we will wait for the day. 

Ian: Yeah. We just have to wait for the day. I, I know 

Matt: a lot of triathlon triathlon races and road races where it's like crazy expensive day of, and you're like, I'm not paying that. I'm gonna sign up a week before. Or like, you look at those little date cutoffs or whatever it is and you're like.

Of course it's easier to do some of these events than like a cycling race when bad weather hits. So yeah. 

Ian: Anyway, it's the Pacific Northwest. It rains here. We have all kinds of weather. It doesn't usually spoil the fun. There has been a couple races this season where um, it's been pretty extreme, but. You know, it's just the way it is.

That's, that's, that's part of living in the Pacific Northwest, right? Sure. So, cool. Show up, sign 

Lance: up. Yeah. So, uh, my one last thing is that it is a double gravel race weekend, this weekend coming up. Uh, Mike Ripley's mud Slinger events puts on two of his gravel races this weekend near Newport, Oregon, out on the Oregon coast.

Saturday is the Oregon coast gravel epic. And Sunday is the [01:22:00] West coast gravel. They're only about 15 miles apart. So you do a kind of a double weekend. 

Matt: Are you doing both? 

Lance: Um, I have not signed up because the weather is fucking kind of iffy actually. The, the, but you're 

Matt: one of those people that like I am exactly who you're talking about.

But like, that's the great thing is like if the price was double, you probably wouldn't bat an eye out. 

Lance: I wouldn't bat an eye, 

Matt: which is like, there's, there's more money in the promoter's pocket, right. Like, to me, I just don't see a problem with like this. You know, you push that price until it starts to affect people.

Right. And you can probably see that if you have promo, if you have enough events that you're promoting, you're like, okay, well we'll try it with this one. Don't you keep going up until you see the numbers slide. The weather actually 

Lance: doesn't look too bad and I'm probably going to go 

Matt: And you're just gonna spin the weekend in your van?

Yeah, I'll just sleep in the 

Lance: van. 

Matt: Okay. Yeah. 

Jake: How that's gotta be a little bit tough having two races that are somewhat close to each other, but just the logistics of it. Is that, is that tough for him or does he have a down? Uh, no, 

Lance: it, I think it makes it easier for him [01:23:00] because really he has a double race weekend.

Okay. And most people that go down do both races. And that was 

Jake: my next question was, is like, is he capitating his potential race attendance for one of the races? If he just pushed it out one more week, would you get more attendance? No, I 

Lance: don't think so. Because then you, then you're conflicting with other races on the Ober calendar.

And this is the, this is the big weekend? Yeah, this is the week. This the Oregon Coast Gravel weekend. 

Jake: Well then why doesn't he put one on Friday and just call it a little mini stage race? 

Lance: That's a good question. Yeah. There you go. Gravel festival. 

Camryn: Yeah. Dirt crit. One crit. 

Lance: I've always thought that those would be kind oft So all talked about that.

Beach crit. Beach crit. 

Jake: Crazy. Alright. All right. My, one more last. One last. I've two more. One last things. I've got my, oh yeah, I was gonna do my one last thing and then kick it over to camera. Okay. But let's have Cameron go first. Okay. I'll, I'll finish the things up. 

Camryn: Um, one last thing. Go ride your bike.

There it is. Don't stop buying stuff. Actually, that's, that's a bad thing to say. Don't stop. Believe in buy stuff from the dialed cycling lab. Just go ride your bike more. Yeah. I don't [01:24:00] care who you are. If you have a crappy cruiser bike, go ride it. Go find a friend. Go get your kid. Go ride your bike. 

Matt: Was it that bring, bring your cruiser to the, um, the Friday night ride.

Foggo. Yeah, Foggo, that's, those 

Jake: are starting up soon. We're gonna be doing 'em on Fridays, starting, uh, next week if the weather permits. So. Okay. Crazy. It, it's almost here actually. I. I take that back Friday's this week. So this week is Yes, may. Sorry, I'm, I'm a week behind this Friday. Yes. It could be even this Friday.

That could have been my one last thing, but I'll, I'll let Cameron take credit for that. But anyway, uh, to your point was, um, buy less upgrades and ride up More upgrades. Yeah. Just ride your bike. More upgrades. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Uh, my one last thing is it's your birthday. Happy birthday Lance. 

Lance: I can't even hear that.

He's 

Jake: got his headphones off right now. Anyway, just wanted to wish you happy birthday, buddy. It's uh, kind of crazy that you are 55, 55 and the first, I think you came on the podcast, was it right around your birthday? Uh, I think you had just turned 47, [01:25:00] so Yeah, I was 47. We're all getting, 

Matt: yeah, you guys are.

That's true. 

Jake: Cool. Alright, we do appreciate everybody listening. We will be back next week with another one of these. And until then, bye for now.